Spring Training Questions

afail · 06-10-2009, 06:53 AM

1) Is there a way to avoid automatically adding all 40 man players to the 25 man roster? I believe OOTP has a bug because players who started the preseason in AAA should not be charged an option and should be able to be returned to AAA without having to clear waivers.

2) Should I adjust lineups and depth charts to ensure all my players get into games? If so, can the computer adjust for me and do so properly?

3) More of a feature request but instead of adding all those players to the 25 man roster, maybe create another drop down item called Invited to Spring Training. The cool thing about this would be that you could easily code to allow invitations to non roster invitees.

TribeFanInNC · 06-10-2009, 08:03 AM

1) No. This is by design to ensure option years are tallied correctly. A little more work on your end, but makes the end result more realistic. Most guys on the 40-man go to spring training for at least couple weeks anyway.

2) If you are doing it during the reg season, I would do it during spring as well.

3) Yeah, I wish NRIs would be coded also. Maybe I'll try to champion it for version 11.

afail · 06-10-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

1) No. This is by design to ensure option years are tallied correctly. A little more work on your end, but makes the end result more realistic. Most guys on the 40-man go to spring training for at least couple weeks anyway.

2) If you are doing it during the reg season, I would do it during spring as well.

3) Yeah, I wish NRIs would be coded also. Maybe I'll try to champion it for version 11.

1) I don't know - it seems like this doesn't match reality at all -- I would even be ok with it, provided that players on the 40 man were not automatically added to the 25 man - So basically if I ever do get someone out of options through waivers, I am forced to repeat that process at the end of spring training (being that it is usually irrevocable waivers too sorta adds to the problem)

2) I thought maybe the AI management would know to use more subs since it is spring - was hoping a dev could verify?

3) That would be great - I think it would add a really cool element to the game

hmatthias · 06-10-2009, 08:52 AM

as for #2, the AI does tons of subs for pitchers/players during the game. Just check the box score of one of those games, and you should see this. That was an awsome move by Marcus to do that, as it is the only sports game I have seen where it recognizes you are in the pre-season!

afail · 06-10-2009, 08:52 AM

sweet that is good news!

BigRed75 · 06-10-2009, 09:13 AM

Is that a new thing in OOTPX that automatically puts everyone in your 40-man on your active roster for spring training? Because I could have sworn in OOTP9 I have had to manually drag and drop players onto the 25-man in spring training in order to make them available for ST games.

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players who started the preseason in AAA should not be charged an option and should be able to be returned to AAA without having to clear waivers.

Are you sure about that? The way I understand it, if you're on the 40-man roster, you're considered a major-league player and have 3 option years starting from the moment you've first been put on the 40-man. It makes no difference where you start the pre-season. If you place someone on the 40-man, you then have to use an option in order to assign them to a minor-league roster.

I, too, would love to see the non-roster invitee option. Bring that on for OOTPXI!

HH20xx convert · 06-10-2009, 10:19 AM

[QUOTE=BigRed75;2751992]Is that a new thing in OOTPX that automatically puts everyone in your 40-man on your active roster for spring training? Because I could have sworn in OOTP9 I have had to manually drag and drop players onto the 25-man in spring training in order to make them available for ST games.

I'm in OOTP 9 spring training now, and in 9 you do have to manually drag and drop to fill out spring training rosters. Furthermore, the AI in most cases does not use the full 40 man roster. In my league, most teams have 39 players, a few have 38 and about a third have 40. The teams with 38 and 39 players don't necessarily have players on the 60 day DL, so they don't seem to be 'saving' a roster spot for an injury.

bigMatt · 06-10-2009, 11:30 AM

Yes, in 10, the 40MR is auto added in spring. this is a difference from 9.

Yes, more players are substituted in spring. note that if you autoplay your teams spring training game, your SP leaves after 4 or so.

I don't think ST takes up an option, does it?

Personally, I want the ability to customize the length of ST. I'd like to add another week or so to further preview my players.

ehencley · 06-10-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bigmatt

personally, i want the ability to customize the length of st. I'd like to add another week or so to further preview my players.

+1

BigRed75 · 06-10-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bigMatt

I don't think ST takes up an option, does it?

Spring Training doesn't take up an option, but if a player's on your 40-man, and you want to send them down to the minors, even at any point prior to opening day, then you're going to have to use a option to do it.

That's why teams IRL get in trouble and end up sending down guys they might not ordinarily want to because they have options left and someone else doesn't. Or they try to sneak a guy without options through waivers to send him down and end up losing him on a claim. It's also why you see spring training deals like the immortal "Hayden Penn for Robert Andino" blockbuster this spring (both players were out of options, but the Fish didn't need another spare OF and could have used another bullpen arm, and vice versa for the Birds).

Good news about the auto-add for spring training in X. Now if we could just get support for non-roster invitees we'd be all set for spring training...

JTSMOOTH · 06-10-2009, 12:20 PM

Any player on the 40 man roster that fails to make a big league teams 25 man roster, uses up a minor league option. If the player is out of options, he cannot be sent to the minor leagues without clearing waivers first.

There was a long standing bug in OOTP that allowed players who were on the 40 man roster and out of options to sit in the minor leagues forever and that was finally fixed in OOTPX.

Thats why you see your entire 40 man roster brought up for spring training. It's part of the fix.

chezboots · 06-10-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hmatthias

as for #2, the AI does tons of subs for pitchers/players during the game. Just check the box score of one of those games, and you should see this. That was an awsome move by Marcus to do that, as it is the only sports game I have seen where it recognizes you are in the pre-season!

Madden recognizes Pre-Season and subs players in Pre-Season Games.

hmatthias · 06-10-2009, 01:08 PM

Madden does this a bit cheesily, just subbing the 3rd string at half time. OOTP ends up playing alot more guys.

sfeldkamp · 06-10-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

Are you sure about that? The way I understand it, if you're on the 40-man roster, you're considered a major-league player and have 3 option years starting from the moment you've first been put on the 40-man. It makes no difference where you start the pre-season. If you place someone on the 40-man, you then have to use an option in order to assign them to a minor-league roster.

Huh, I was wrong. Being assigned to the minors from spring training does burn an option year if you are on the 40 man extended roster. I guess the lesson is don't put players on the 40 man roster unless you need to protect them from rule 5 draft or unless you are willing to give them a serious shot at the 25 man roster.

MLB Rules - Out of Options.

lot's of other rules around options from the article, but I don't think they need to be in the game.

kcroyalgm · 06-10-2009, 01:16 PM

If AI is prevented from making roster changes, then the minor league 40-man roster players are NOT automatically added to the ST roster.

thamolas · 06-10-2009, 01:24 PM

Wow, a non-roster invitee option would be great! And I like the idea of making Spring Training a little bit longer.

bigMatt · 06-10-2009, 01:54 PM

I threw in a request last year to be able to set ST schedule, but in the mountainous wish list, it was understandably left out of 10.

Here's hoping it gets on the table for OOTP's next version.

And I'd love the non-roster invitee options also. Seems a shame when you see half-decent guys languishing on the FA list and can't afford a roster spot, with no other alternatives.

afail · 06-10-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

Huh, I was wrong. Being assigned to the minors from spring training does burn an option year if you are on the 40 man extended roster. I guess the lesson is don't put players on the 40 man roster unless you need to protect them from rule 5 draft or unless you are willing to give them a serious shot at the 25 man roster.

MLB Rules - Out of Options.

lot's of other rules around options from the article, but I don't think they need to be in the game.

Yeah but with Rule V you don't have this luxury.

I think the way it should work is that if a player is not on the 25 when camp starts, you should be able to keep him at the level he was at without penalty.

JTSMOOTH · 06-10-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by afail

Yeah but with Rule V you don't have this luxury.

I think the way it should work is that if a player is not on the 25 when camp starts, you should be able to keep him at the level he was at without penalty.

That would make it far to easy for teams to hoard talented prospects.

mgom27 · 06-10-2009, 07:05 PM

Minor League Camp-For people that don't have assigned Minor League Teams to go to.
Split Squad Teams A-B Squads for some Games
Setting Opening day Rosters before Opening Day like lets the Mets reassign like Brad Holt,Dean Chance and Toke Jansen to the Minor League Camp on April the 19th and Som Johnson and Nick Evans to Triple-A on April 23rd.

06-10-2009, 06:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
afail Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 328 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Spring Training Questions 1) Is there a way to avoid automatically adding all 40 man players to the 25 man roster? I believe OOTP has a bug because players who started the preseason in AAA should not be charged an option and should be able to be returned to AAA without having to clear waivers. 2) Should I adjust lineups and depth charts to ensure all my players get into games? If so, can the computer adjust for me and do so properly? 3) More of a feature request but instead of adding all those players to the 25 man roster, maybe create another drop down item called Invited to Spring Training. The cool thing about this would be that you could easily code to allow invitations to non roster invitees.

06-10-2009, 08:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,532 Thanks: 94 Thanked 268x in 209 posts	1) No. This is by design to ensure option years are tallied correctly. A little more work on your end, but makes the end result more realistic. Most guys on the 40-man go to spring training for at least couple weeks anyway. 2) If you are doing it during the reg season, I would do it during spring as well. 3) Yeah, I wish NRIs would be coded also. Maybe I'll try to champion it for version 11. __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

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JTSMOOTH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 444 Thanks: 23 Thanked 21x in 14 posts	:) Any player on the 40 man roster that fails to make a big league teams 25 man roster, uses up a minor league option. If the player is out of options, he cannot be sent to the minor leagues without clearing waivers first. There was a long standing bug in OOTP that allowed players who were on the 40 man roster and out of options to sit in the minor leagues forever and that was finally fixed in OOTPX. Thats why you see your entire 40 man roster brought up for spring training. It's part of the fix.

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mgom27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,659 Thanks: 49 Thanked 112x in 75 posts	Minor League Camp-For people that don't have assigned Minor League Teams to go to. Split Squad Teams A-B Squads for some Games Setting Opening day Rosters before Opening Day like lets the Mets reassign like Brad Holt,Dean Chance and Toke Jansen to the Minor League Camp on April the 19th and Som Johnson and Nick Evans to Triple-A on April 23rd. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

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06-10-2009, 08:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
hmatthias Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	as for #2, the AI does tons of subs for pitchers/players during the game. Just check the box score of one of those games, and you should see this. That was an awsome move by Marcus to do that, as it is the only sports game I have seen where it recognizes you are in the pre-season!

06-10-2009, 08:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
afail Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 328 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	sweet that is good news!

06-10-2009, 10:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
HH20xx convert Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 169 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16x in 13 posts	[QUOTE=BigRed75;2751992]Is that a new thing in OOTPX that automatically puts everyone in your 40-man on your active roster for spring training? Because I could have sworn in OOTP9 I have had to manually drag and drop players onto the 25-man in spring training in order to make them available for ST games. I'm in OOTP 9 spring training now, and in 9 you do have to manually drag and drop to fill out spring training rosters. Furthermore, the AI in most cases does not use the full 40 man roster. In my league, most teams have 39 players, a few have 38 and about a third have 40. The teams with 38 and 39 players don't necessarily have players on the 60 day DL, so they don't seem to be 'saving' a roster spot for an injury.

06-10-2009, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
bigMatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,353 Thanks: 13 Thanked 11x in 5 posts	Yes, in 10, the 40MR is auto added in spring. this is a difference from 9. Yes, more players are substituted in spring. note that if you autoplay your teams spring training game, your SP leaves after 4 or so. I don't think ST takes up an option, does it? Personally, I want the ability to customize the length of ST. I'd like to add another week or so to further preview my players.

06-10-2009, 01:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
hmatthias Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Madden does this a bit cheesily, just subbing the 3rd string at half time. OOTP ends up playing alot more guys.

06-10-2009, 01:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
kcroyalgm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 Thanks: 2 Thanked 14x in 12 posts	If AI is prevented from making roster changes, then the minor league 40-man roster players are NOT automatically added to the ST roster.

06-10-2009, 01:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
thamolas Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Wow, a non-roster invitee option would be great! And I like the idea of making Spring Training a little bit longer.

06-10-2009, 01:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
bigMatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,353 Thanks: 13 Thanked 11x in 5 posts	I threw in a request last year to be able to set ST schedule, but in the mountainous wish list, it was understandably left out of 10. Here's hoping it gets on the table for OOTP's next version. And I'd love the non-roster invitee options also. Seems a shame when you see half-decent guys languishing on the FA list and can't afford a roster spot, with no other alternatives.