Lotta things to like about OOTP 10, but ...

[flan.joe]

I'm beginning to lose faith in the game play ...

I've never seen so many 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 run innings ... seems like at least half the time a team gets something going, it turns into a huge inning, often early in a game ... I can't count the number of times I've had teams for and against score 5+ runs in an inning and no more than one more run the entire game ... also, very inordinate amount of big first innings ...

I follow baseball closely and this just isn't normal ...

I like the game overall, and I know it's a simulation and not perfect, but it sure seems to take some realism away ...

[Dargone]

How many games are we talking?

[84Hammy]

When I am playing out my games I feel this to be true, because I just can't fathom why my pitcher can't get that last out. A three-run homer later, it becomes a big inning. I'm not convinced it isn't my problem as opposed to the game's.

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by flan.joe

I'm beginning to lose faith in the game play ...

I've never seen so many 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 run innings ... seems like at least half the time a team gets something going, it turns into a huge inning, often early in a game ... I can't count the number of times I've had teams for and against score 5+ runs in an inning and no more than one more run the entire game ... also, very inordinate amount of big first innings ...

I follow baseball closely and this just isn't normal ...

I like the game overall, and I know it's a simulation and not perfect, but it sure seems to take some realism away ...

What settings are you using? Are you playing the MLB quickstart,an historical league or a fictional one? How many teams are in the league?With a little help from you,I can help you get the type of environment that you want.Its all easily customizable with OOTP

[flan.joe]

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

What settings are you using? Are you playing the MLB quickstart,an historical league or a fictional one? How many teams are in the league?With a little help from you,I can help you get the type of environment that you want.Its all easily customizable with OOTP

I am talking about the MLB current season and playing games out inning by inning ...

There is just way too high of percentage when teams have a big 4-8 run inning and might not score again or only score one run the remainder of the game ...

The reason I brought it up tonight, is that I just played seven games at the start of the season ... in five of those games, the opposing team had an inning of 4 or more runs and, only once, did they score multiple runs the remainder of the game ... in those seven games, four times a team scored 4 or more runs in the 1st inning ... and this is against pitchers rated with 3 and 4 stars ...

Just not at all realistic ... maybe I expect too much

[Dargone]

Originally Posted by flan.joe

I am talking about the MLB current season and playing games out inning by inning ...

There is just way too high of percentage when teams have a big 4-8 run inning and might not score again or only score one run the remainder of the game ...

The reason I brought it up tonight, is that I just played seven games at the start of the season ... in five of those games, the opposing team had an inning of 4 or more runs and, only once, did they score multiple runs the remainder of the game ... in those seven games, four times a team scored 4 or more runs in the 1st inning ... and this is against pitchers rated with 3 and 4 stars ...

Just not at all realistic ... maybe I expect too much

Well, in all fairness, seven games is not enough of a sample size to start worrying about. Run a few test SEASONS at your current settings and look at the stats afterward.

[flan.joe]

Originally Posted by Dargone

Well, in all fairness, seven games is not enough of a sample size to start worrying about. Run a few test SEASONS at your current settings and look at the stats afterward.

This isn't something new or isolated ... has been happening consistently ...

I was just using an example of what I had just finished tonight to illustrate

[Dargone]

Originally Posted by flan.joe

This isn't something new or isolated ... has been happening consistently ...

I was just using an example of what I had just finished tonight to illustrate

Okay, again, I would sim a few season with the same settings and then adjust from there. It could be an offensive "spike" or there could be something out of whack with the settings/league totals.

[Tom the Fish]

I was chalking this up to just the way baseball works, but I'm noticing quite a lot as well, 2 out of 3 games I play out.

Tom

[myasu]

I do not have any data to back it up, but I was feeling the same thing as well.
I will have to see if this goes on like this...

[flan.joe]

Originally Posted by Dargone

Okay, again, I would sim a few season with the same settings and then adjust from there. It could be an offensive "spike" or there could be something out of whack with the settings/league totals.

OK, exactly what settings are you referring to?

I have run plenty of seasons to know this is an issue with what I am playing, not a "spike' or aberration ...

I had also thought it was a bit too high with the OOTP 9, but never tracked it as closely as I have since using the OOTP 10 ...

I guess I am not familiar with the settings that would affect this?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by flan.joe

This isn't something new or isolated ... has been happening consistently ...

I was just using an example of what I had just finished tonight to illustrate

Click on league history and screenshot or report the BA and the ERA for the leagues.

Also if you click on the AL and NL links in that same page, it'll take you to a page where you can see the runs per game for each league separately.

That should give us real numbers and let you know if it is off.

[2004RedSox]

Really? I've only noticed five games where a team had a big inning. I've played out all 162 games of my Red Sox dynasty, too.

[Dargone]

Are you guys all playing the default MLB league?

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by flan.joe

I am talking about the MLB current season and playing games out inning by inning ...

There is just way too high of percentage when teams have a big 4-8 run inning and might not score again or only score one run the remainder of the game ...

The reason I brought it up tonight, is that I just played seven games at the start of the season ... in five of those games, the opposing team had an inning of 4 or more runs and, only once, did they score multiple runs the remainder of the game ... in those seven games, four times a team scored 4 or more runs in the 1st inning ... and this is against pitchers rated with 3 and 4 stars ...

Just not at all realistic ... maybe I expect too much

Nowadays,this is just what baseball is,teams play for the big inning.I've watched the Phillies do this successfully for years now,they always score their runs in bunches.Small ball just dosen't exist anymore.

[highandoutside]

Umm, call me confused, but exactly what could the game be doing wrong to cause this in your opinion? I'm going to reserve judgement and chalk this up to A) small sample size or B) maybe in baseball many runs in one inning is fairly common...or, unless we are looking for it, more common than we thought

[RchW]

OOTP is a game that produces numbers. No matter what one "feels" is happening, the numbers can be checked against the game settings, the baseball era and the individual league setup.

Simply look in the game and compare the actual runs against the league totals and other numbers like runs per game.

With respect your "feeling" can only be confirmed with facts.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by RchW

OOTP is a game that produces numbers. No matter what one "feels" is happening, the numbers can be checked against the game settings, the baseball era and the individual league setup.

Simply look in the game and compare the actual runs against the league totals and other numbers like runs per game.

With respect your "feeling" can only be confirmed with facts.

Exactly right the vast majority of time, Rch, exactly. The game time and again provokes that confirmation bias that makes us remember a bit more often the things that stand out or get our attention. I'd wager (no way to really check this I suppose ) that 75% of these declarations over the many versions I've witnessed were simply that, incidents that had left lasting impressions that exacerbated the belief of more frequency than data ended up supporting.

Again, more often than not, the OP - not saying this will happen here - never again surfaces to explain, present any new findings, or continue to argue his case. Of course, I'm not maintaining that there aren't instances where those intuitive inclinations don't lead to investigations that do merit more considerations and eventual changes to modify unwanted results. Just ask SteveP, whose perserverance - rightly or wrongly - continues to hunt down his ongoing list of 'usual suspects.'

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by RchW

Click on league history and screenshot or report the BA and the ERA for the leagues.

Also if you click on the AL and NL links in that same page, it'll take you to a page where you can see the runs per game for each league separately.

That should give us real numbers and let you know if it is off.

Rich, his problem isn't with the number of runs being scored, it's with those runs coming mostly in big innings. Where would he look to find what proportion of his runs came in 3+ run innings?

[Tom the Fish]

It seems to happen (sorry this is off a "feeling" and not data, but I can only get 2-5 games played a day, hard to get a good sample size this way) in the first inning or when I bring in a reliever, and often with 2 outs. anywhere from 5 to 12 runs in an inning.

The pitching model works so that the more a batter sees a pitcher, the more the batter knows what to expect. But this seems the opposite. The starter in the first inning or a fresh reliever gets shelled. I _know_ this happens irl, but it just seems to happen way too much.

This is a fictional league, btw.

Tom