Do pinch hitters K a lot? - Page 5

TribeFanInNC · 09-24-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

If this is happening every season can you at the end of one of them do a dump to csv and upload the csvs to the FTP server.

I uploaded csvs from my last complete season of simming for my solo league prior to deleting the history and officially starting my league. I only took a glossary look at the data myself, but the PH K's seem high. It's called like 'PH K Rate Fictional csvs' or something like that. I can provide dats as well if preferred.

lschaef · 09-30-2009, 02:51 AM

Here is what I have so far in my current season.

League Info: Fictional, currently in the 16th season of the league, I play out all my teams games.

So far, league-wide we've had 445 PH at bats, 77 hits, 153 Ks. League PH average is .173, batters are striking out on 34.4% of at bats.

gte842d · 10-22-2009, 07:08 PM

so did this issue just completely die out (again)

lschaef · 02-18-2010, 05:15 PM

Looks like it did die out again...unless there is a newer thread out there I didn't see.

Just looked at my current league wide stats (96 games into the season).

Pinch hitters:
1,760 AB
280 H
10 HR
624 K

.159 AVE
35% K percentage

Pitchers batting:
2,647 AB
272 H
3 HR
1,114 K

.103 AVE
42% K percentage

So there is some benefit to hitting for a pitcher, but seems like there should be a bigger difference.

Syd Thrift · 02-18-2010, 05:47 PM

I haven't seen this for fictional leagues, myself. Pinch hitting has lower averages than regular hitting but it's not as extreme as what's noted. I do play out every single game and do pay a lot of attention to stats over ratings, so that probably finds guys with the clutch advantage.

I'm not sure what y'all are experiencing with fictional leagues. With non-fictional ones, much of the issue comes from facing better than average pitching, which is in turn already baked into the PH's stats. I'm not sure what can be done about that.

Curtis · 02-18-2010, 07:51 PM

I'm being strictly anecdotal here. What you're seeing for K-rates and pitchers' batting average is right in line with what I would expect. I would expect the pinch hitters' batting average to be eighty to one hundred points higher (era dependent) and their home run rates to be… much, much higher.

According to 'the boys in the booth' (Keith, Ron and what's-his-name) during the Mets' games, pinch hitters should be going to the plate with the mindset "I may not get another appearance for a week, so I'm by God going to take my cut!" They shouldn't be choking up when they get two strikes, they should never bat defensively, and they should always have one eye on the fence. In my mind that would translate into maybe a 50% increase in strikeouts, but also a similar increase in home runs.

And remember that usually (dependent upon the strength of your ball club) pinch hitters are guys who aren't good enough to crack your starting lineup, so they may have poor power or high K-rates to begin with. If you're lucky enough to run a solid platoon system, then that wouldn't apply, of course. Concomitant with that, on most teams pinch hitters don't get many at bats, so they might be thought of as perpetually rusty. Again, if you have a solid platoon system in place that wouldn't apply.

Even with all that, unless you're playing deadball I would expect MANY more home runs than you're seeing.

evanbarth · 02-28-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

Leaving everything as it was, but dropping AvoidK to 20/250 gives the following

Starters strike out 23.34%, Pinch Hitters strike out at 30.87%

I'm about 25% into my season. My pinch hitters are hitting .107 and struck out 42% of the time.

This is with the latest patches and an old roster set. I saw this post, but don't know what it means to drop avoid K to 20/250 -- I see a modifier but it is 1.000.

Is there anything I can do to fix this problem. Not being able to use pinch hitters is a big flaw. Even if its not perfect, I'd like to get it where pinch hitters don't automatically strike out.

evanbarth · 03-02-2010, 10:39 PM

Anybody out there have any help? I just to do something to lessen this drastic effect. Right now, I'm better off always letting pitchers hit or keeping in a lefty hitter against a tough lefty pitcher and thats just not realistic

evanbarth · 03-06-2010, 04:33 PM

Am I only one who's having any issue. Anything to do with any modifiers to mitigate the problem. I don't see anything regarding pinch hitters, is tweaking avoid K going to do anything -- I figure that would effect everyone. Any help would be great. I just want to be able to use pinch hitters some of the time. Thanks

Curtis · 03-11-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by evanbarth

Am I only one who's having any issue? Anything to do with any modifiers to mitigate the problem? I don't see anything regarding pinch hitters, is tweaking avoid K going to do anything -- I figure that would effect everyone.

Sorry, evan; I guess you ARE the only one having this problem. The only thing I can tell you is that you're right that adjusting Avoid K would affect everyone.

PhillieFever · 03-11-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by evanbarth

Am I only one who's having any issue. Anything to do with any modifiers to mitigate the problem. I don't see anything regarding pinch hitters, is tweaking avoid K going to do anything -- I figure that would effect everyone. Any help would be great. I just want to be able to use pinch hitters some of the time. Thanks

This turned out to be a roster set issue only. The only time the issue crops up is when you use the MLB roster set that comes with the game. Unfortunately, there's no way to fix it.

lighthousekeeper · 03-11-2010, 12:49 AM

I feel like I'm having this problem in my universe, but I haven't studied the data to confirm the hunch.

evanbarth · 03-11-2010, 09:26 AM

The thing is I'm not using a roster set from the game. I'm using a league I've imported from OOTP 8, then OOTP 9. Never had the pinch hitting problem before. Someone in an early post (below) mentioned doing something, changing avoid K to 20/250. I didn't know what that meant, but like someone said that might effect everyone but his data seemed to show the strikeout numbers were more normal. Plus it doesn't help the batting average issue. The average is between .100 and .150 through about 40 games. Maybe its too small a sample size. But it is weird, I have guys who are 0 for 13 pinch hitting and some guys who are 3 for 4. Maybe some guys just aren't cut out for pinch hitting.

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Leaving everything as it was, but dropping AvoidK to 20/250 gives the following

Starters strike out 23.34%, Pinch Hitters strike out at 30.87%

Doctor No · 03-11-2010, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

This turned out to be a roster set issue only. The only time the issue crops up is when you use the MLB roster set that comes with the game. Unfortunately, there's no way to fix it.

Does the problem dissipate as history evolves and the players gradually are replaced by "new" players?

02-18-2010, 07:51 PM	#86 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,530 Thanked 108x in 91 posts	I'm being strictly anecdotal here. What you're seeing for K-rates and pitchers' batting average is right in line with what I would expect. I would expect the pinch hitters' batting average to be eighty to one hundred points higher (era dependent) and their home run rates to be… much, much higher. According to 'the boys in the booth' (Keith, Ron and what's-his-name) during the Mets' games, pinch hitters should be going to the plate with the mindset "I may not get another appearance for a week, so I'm by God going to take my cut!" They shouldn't be choking up when they get two strikes, they should never bat defensively, and they should always have one eye on the fence. In my mind that would translate into maybe a 50% increase in strikeouts, but also a similar increase in home runs. And remember that usually (dependent upon the strength of your ball club) pinch hitters are guys who aren't good enough to crack your starting lineup, so they may have poor power or high K-rates to begin with. If you're lucky enough to run a solid platoon system, then that wouldn't apply, of course. Concomitant with that, on most teams pinch hitters don't get many at bats, so they might be thought of as perpetually rusty. Again, if you have a solid platoon system in place that wouldn't apply. Even with all that, unless you're playing deadball I would expect MANY more home runs than you're seeing. __________________ 2012 — The year for Inside The Park 2!

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09-30-2009, 02:51 AM	#82 (permalink)
lschaef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 173 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	Here is what I have so far in my current season. League Info: Fictional, currently in the 16th season of the league, I play out all my teams games. So far, league-wide we've had 445 PH at bats, 77 hits, 153 Ks. League PH average is .173, batters are striking out on 34.4% of at bats.

10-22-2009, 07:08 PM	#83 (permalink)
gte842d Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 61 Thanked 1x in 1 post	so did this issue just completely die out (again)

02-18-2010, 05:15 PM	#84 (permalink)
lschaef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 173 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	Looks like it did die out again...unless there is a newer thread out there I didn't see. Just looked at my current league wide stats (96 games into the season). Pinch hitters: 1,760 AB 280 H 10 HR 624 K .159 AVE 35% K percentage Pitchers batting: 2,647 AB 272 H 3 HR 1,114 K .103 AVE 42% K percentage So there is some benefit to hitting for a pitcher, but seems like there should be a bigger difference.

03-02-2010, 10:39 PM	#88 (permalink)
evanbarth Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 184	Anybody out there have any help? I just to do something to lessen this drastic effect. Right now, I'm better off always letting pitchers hit or keeping in a lefty hitter against a tough lefty pitcher and thats just not realistic

03-06-2010, 04:33 PM	#89 (permalink)
evanbarth Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 184	Am I only one who's having any issue. Anything to do with any modifiers to mitigate the problem. I don't see anything regarding pinch hitters, is tweaking avoid K going to do anything -- I figure that would effect everyone. Any help would be great. I just want to be able to use pinch hitters some of the time. Thanks

03-11-2010, 09:26 AM	#93 (permalink)
evanbarth Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 184	The thing is I'm not using a roster set from the game. I'm using a league I've imported from OOTP 8, then OOTP 9. Never had the pinch hitting problem before. Someone in an early post (below) mentioned doing something, changing avoid K to 20/250. I didn't know what that meant, but like someone said that might effect everyone but his data seemed to show the strikeout numbers were more normal. Plus it doesn't help the batting average issue. The average is between .100 and .150 through about 40 games. Maybe its too small a sample size. But it is weird, I have guys who are 0 for 13 pinch hitting and some guys who are 3 for 4. Maybe some guys just aren't cut out for pinch hitting. ===================== Leaving everything as it was, but dropping AvoidK to 20/250 gives the following Starters strike out 23.34%, Pinch Hitters strike out at 30.87%