ML DL activation: No direct send-down to minor leagues?

[Jayzone]

Here is a question on the DL activation that I remember that it can be done in OOTP9. If you have a player on major league DL, after he is ready to be activated, you can use the right-click function to send him down to the minors directly. However, I can't do this in OOTP10. Whenever I tried to use the right-click function, the in-game message tells me to activate him first.

This is a big hassle for me as I will need to demote someone on ML roster first, activate the injured player, demote the injured player, promote the originally displaced someone, and then now restore all my lineup/pitching staff settings. With such a high injury frequency in OOTP10, I am a bit tired to go through all these activate-then-demotion things. Is there any reason as to why it needed to be changed to this way? Oh, and no, the player is neither out of options nor has the right to refuse minor league assignment (which would give you a different error message anyway).

[Tom the Fish]

I got around this by designating the player on assignment.

Tom

[Bluenoser]

According to MLB Rules, a player on the DL cannot be demoted. Even though your player is fully recovered, officially he's still on the DL. Therefore, use the suggested method of Tom, designate him for assignment.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by BruceM

According to MLB Rules, a player on the DL cannot be demoted. Even though your player is fully recovered, officially he's still on the DL. Therefore, use the suggested method of Tom, designate him for assignment.

Well then, this rule should only be in effect in the MLB quickstart. These MLB minutiae shouldnt be forced on fictional universes where there are no unions nor owners.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by bababui

Well then, this rule should only be in effect in the MLB quickstart. These MLB minutiae shouldnt be forced on fictional universes where there are no unions nor owners.

Or more sensibly, let us choose whether to use this option.

[Jayzone]

Originally Posted by Tom the Fish

I got around this by designating the player on assignment.

Tom

Yeah, DFA works as well. However, with player morale system on, players gets really pissy if you put them on DFA. Combining with the eventual demotion, player will mad angry - suffering more morale penalty than he should've received.

And if the method through DFA works, why can't the right click demotion be allowed to work? Either method, the player never goes through ML roster on route to the minor leagues. So, there is no much difference in either method anyway, sans the extra unneeded morale penalty. I just think the current design is inconvenient at best and very annoying at worst.

I'd suggest the followings: either enable the direct right-click demotion or remove the morale penalty to go from DL to DFA. I think both are reasonable changes.

Edit: I don't play with wavier on, so both options are essentially the same to me.

[conception]

I'm pretty sure that this system ensures that players will use up their options properly. It has to distinguish them from the minor league DL.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Or more sensibly, let us choose whether to use this option.

I meant this.

[Jayzone]

Originally Posted by conception

I'm pretty sure that this system ensures that players will use up their options properly. It has to distinguish them from the minor league DL.

The previous systems (pre-OOTP 10) already ensure that players will use up their options properly. And there are already internal flags present to distinguish between ML DL and minor league DL. Plus, the program already checks to see if an option would be used whenever the act of demotion is excuted. The program will just need to check whether the player is originated from ML DL or minor league DL - which is already included in the program.

Whatever the intended effects are (option used, etc.), they can be done/assigned even with right-click transaction function. They don't have to be tied to ML activation alone. I am just arguing for an more hassle-free procedure instead of going through what I descried origninally or through DFA.

Originally Posted by bababui

I meant this.

And yes, this will be fine.

[conception]

Originally Posted by Jayzone

The previous systems (pre-OOTP 10) already ensure that players will use up their options properly. And there are already internal flags present to distinguish between ML DL and minor league DL. Plus, the program already checks to see if an option would be used whenever the act of demotion is excuted. The program will just need to check whether the player is originated from ML DL or minor league DL - which is already included in the program.

Whatever the intended effects are (option used, etc.), they can be done/assigned even with right-click transaction function. They don't have to be tied to ML activation alone. I am just arguing for an more hassle-free procedure instead of going through what I descried origninally or through DFA.



And yes, this will be fine.

There was actually a pretty clear loophole to not using options which was closed up. Essentially, players never used an option year if they weren't called up to the majors at all. This was done away with by forcing all 40 man roster players to the active roster in ST.

I'm just this type of move was done for the same reasons. I do agree that it is plenty annoying because I can't activate a player and then option them without having to demote somebody from my active roster which messes up my depth charts and such.

[Cowboys3356]

Seems like this should be a simple feature that could be turned off/on via an option in Game Setup. Maybe it could be included in a future patch so users can handle this however they want.

[Tekneek]

If you have no unions and such, then you probably don't need to use waivers. If you turn waivers off, then when you designate them for assignment you won't have to worry about waivers.