MLB Rosters Long Term

PSUColonel · 06-17-2009, 01:01 PM

I realize there are some issues with the MLB rosters when it comes to things like contracts and so forth, but I am wondering how it holds up in terms of things like player development, stats, and most specifically teams cash management? The cash management is the part that could have a serious negative (no pun intended) effect on a game long term if not implemented correctly. Ie- too many quality free agents not being signed etc..

I'm just wondering if I am better off starting a league with fictional players instead...and if it will run more smoothly?

sfeldkamp · 06-17-2009, 01:11 PM

I can't answer about long term, but I had some trouble with first year budgets in the roster set. That's supposedly fixed in the upcoming patch.

Dave1408 · 06-17-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I realize there are some issues with the MLB rosters when it comes to things like contracts and so forth, but I am wondering how it holds up in terms of things like player development, stats, and most specifically teams cash management? The cash management is the part that could have a serious negative (no pun intended) effect on a game long term if not implemented correctly. Ie- too many quality free agents not being signed etc..

I'm just wondering if I am better off starting a league with fictional players instead...and if it will run more smoothly?

I would also like to know this as I am two months into my season (I manage every game) and would obviously not like to waste any more of my time on this franchise if it is just going to be completely ruined after a few years of gameplay.
So is it worth continuing?

Raidergoo · 06-17-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I realize there are some issues with the MLB rosters when it comes to things like contracts and so forth, but I am wondering how it holds up in terms of things like player development, stats, and most specifically teams cash management?

I have made about 15 runs of 12 to 20 years each. My observations:

Long-term league ML stat levels are stable. ERA varies by +/- 0.10 and BA by +/- .008. The usual suspects get sent to the Hall of Fame (Thome, A-Rod, Randy Johnson are given, but seems like Halliday too...). Fictional players start first start showing up (as starters) in the majors in 2012 and start dominating All Star teams and post-season awards by 2015. The guys on the Baseball America Top 100 list this season end up doing very well for themselves unless they get hurt. A lot of them get hurt. The Rays do quite well for themselves for many years. Most clubs make money, and lots, by 2012.

Dave1408 · 06-17-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Most clubs make money, and lots, by 2012.

Perfect, this is EXACTLY what i was interested in so absolutely great to know I can continue with my franchise...

Cowboys3356 · 06-17-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Most clubs make money, and lots, by 2012.

Are you using the standard financials file or the modified one that is floating around the forums?

PSUColonel · 06-17-2009, 03:46 PM

Raider,

What would happen do you think if I used the "make fictional player contracts" before starting?

I'm not so interested in exactly correct player contracts as I am financial league stability over the long term.

I assume I would then need to assign fictional financials??

PhillieFever · 06-17-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I have made about 15 runs of 12 to 20 years each. My observations:

Long-term league ML stat levels are stable. ERA varies by +/- 0.10 and BA by +/- .008. The usual suspects get sent to the Hall of Fame (Thome, A-Rod, Randy Johnson are given, but seems like Halliday too...). Fictional players start first start showing up (as starters) in the majors in 2012 and start dominating All Star teams and post-season awards by 2015. The guys on the Baseball America Top 100 list this season end up doing very well for themselves unless they get hurt. A lot of them get hurt. The Rays do quite well for themselves for many years. Most clubs make money, and lots, by 2012.

I've also done several tests,and my findings pretty much line up with Raidergoo.In my last sim,the Rays are very good in the first few years of the sim,seemingly always winning a Series or two in the first four years.Another thing I'm really impressed with is the incoming players,they really begin to make a splash by 2011-12 with the first of those becoming HOF'ers by around 2030 or so.Speaking of the hall,there are always a couple of nice surprises besides the obvious guys,players like Lincecum,Hamels,Longoria,Weiters,Howard,Santana,Ha lliday,Pujols and others of their ilk always seem to get a few entrants which I find to be pretty cool.The new financial file,included with the patch,eliminates the problems that people have been having early on there as well.I really think you guys will be happy if you decide to play the current MLB set long term.

PSUColonel · 06-17-2009, 05:41 PM

I have already set up my league with weather, uni's colors, logos and the whole nine yards, and don't want to do it all over again. O course this means I cannot benefit from financial fixes. What will happen to the league do you think if I use fictional contracts for all players? Do you think it will help iron out any financial issues?

Raidergoo · 06-17-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Raider,

What would happen do you think if I used the "make fictional player contracts" before starting?

I'm not so interested in exactly correct player contracts as I am financial league stability over the long term.

I assume I would then need to assign fictional financials??

That is a good question, one I have never been posed. I can't answer that right now as I am in the middle of downloading a test patch with the updated rosters.

Raidergoo · 06-17-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Are you using the standard financials file or the modified one that is floating around the forums?

Standard file.

PSUColonel · 06-17-2009, 10:09 PM

I am saving my league as a template, and am going to do it and just see where financials look going into 2009.

PhillieFever · 06-17-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I have already set up my league with weather, uni's colors, logos and the whole nine yards, and don't want to do it all over again. O course this means I cannot benefit from financial fixes. What will happen to the league do you think if I use fictional contracts for all players? Do you think it will help iron out any financial issues?

You don't have to do that.Once you get the patch,reload the strategy settings for whichever season you're in and the financial file will be updated along with.

ajgodson · 06-18-2009, 08:38 AM

It seems to be pretty stable to me, as I was worried about the financials, too. The first year of Free Agency everyone was very cheap, but after that it seemed to normalize.

Frankly the 2009 sim was the weirdest, with the PADRES winning the World Series....over the Royals in 6. (Rosters used out of the box, unmodified)

Raidergoo · 06-18-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ajgodson

It seems to be pretty stable to me, as I was worried about the financials, too. The first year of Free Agency everyone was very cheap, but after that it seemed to normalize.

Frankly the 2009 sim was the weirdest, with the PADRES winning the World Series....over the Royals in 6. (Rosters used out of the box, unmodified)

I have seen the 2009 Royals overachieve so many times I am worried. Greinke is always a beast, Meche is above average, Bannister is average, and Hochevar develops nicely. If that scenario played out in real life, and DeJesus and Crisp hit well, then the real Royals are a .500 team. It would not take much more to turn them into a 90 win club. It's a little fantastic, but not out of the realm of possibility.

As for the Padres? Dunno. They are putrid.

PSUColonel · 06-18-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

You don't have to do that.Once you get the patch,reload the strategy settings for whichever season you're in and the financial file will be updated along with.

how can this be done? I'm not familiar with this feature.

sfeldkamp · 06-18-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I have seen the 2009 Royals overachieve so many times I am worried. Greinke is always a beast, Meche is above average, Bannister is average, and Hochevar develops nicely. If that scenario played out in real life, and DeJesus and Crisp hit well, then the real Royals are a .500 team. It would not take much more to turn them into a 90 win club. It's a little fantastic, but not out of the realm of possibility.

As for the Padres? Dunno. They are putrid.

Ugh... in my league Bannister and Hochevar are terrible, DeJesus is average, and Crisp is below average. Still I'm a game above .500 thanks to Kyle Davies leading the league in ERA. Players develop, strange things start to happen.

06-17-2009, 01:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,985 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 163 Thanked 234x in 140 posts	MLB Rosters Long Term I realize there are some issues with the MLB rosters when it comes to things like contracts and so forth, but I am wondering how it holds up in terms of things like player development, stats, and most specifically teams cash management? The cash management is the part that could have a serious negative (no pun intended) effect on a game long term if not implemented correctly. Ie- too many quality free agents not being signed etc.. I'm just wondering if I am better off starting a league with fictional players instead...and if it will run more smoothly?

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PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,985 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 163 Thanked 234x in 140 posts	Raider, What would happen do you think if I used the "make fictional player contracts" before starting? I'm not so interested in exactly correct player contracts as I am financial league stability over the long term. I assume I would then need to assign fictional financials?? Last edited by PSUColonel; 06-17-2009 at 03:52 PM.

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06-17-2009, 01:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184 Thanks: 33 Thanked 5x in 5 posts	I can't answer about long term, but I had some trouble with first year budgets in the roster set. That's supposedly fixed in the upcoming patch.

06-17-2009, 05:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,985 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 163 Thanked 234x in 140 posts	I have already set up my league with weather, uni's colors, logos and the whole nine yards, and don't want to do it all over again. O course this means I cannot benefit from financial fixes. What will happen to the league do you think if I use fictional contracts for all players? Do you think it will help iron out any financial issues?

06-17-2009, 10:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,985 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 163 Thanked 234x in 140 posts	I am saving my league as a template, and am going to do it and just see where financials look going into 2009.

06-18-2009, 08:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
ajgodson Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 22 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2x in 1 post	It seems to be pretty stable to me, as I was worried about the financials, too. The first year of Free Agency everyone was very cheap, but after that it seemed to normalize. Frankly the 2009 sim was the weirdest, with the PADRES winning the World Series....over the Royals in 6. (Rosters used out of the box, unmodified)