Unique league concept - would it work?

ripwalk · 06-18-2009, 12:05 AM

I've always thought of doing a league similar to the NFL ... There would be short seasons and teams would only play once a week.

Every team would have their "QB" (starting pitcher) who was more or less the identity of the team.

My question is - would this work in OOTP solo play and would the AI handle its roster correctly?

Optimally, in a league like this, it would make the most sense to only have 4-5 pitchers on the active roster maximum, the rest with defensive specialists, possible pinch hitters and extra depth in the field.

Is there any settings that could be changed that would help the AI actually manage their teams like this? What impact would lowering the overall maximum roster size have? I imagine it would force the AI to take less pitchers on an active roster if the maximum roster size was 15 or so?

Obviously I think you would select "1 Man Rotation" in settings as well as perhaps use of relief pitchers and closers "Rarely".... But, would that change how the AI manages its roster, or just have 1 player listed in the depth chart as an SP, but still have 10 others listed in relief positions/wasting roster spots?

Another concern is draft pools .. In a scenario like this I would want a draft pool that has significantly less pitchers both in inaugural and in amateur drafts every year. Is there any way to impact that?

It would be nice if the appropriate number of pitchers were created so a bunch of super talented pitchers didnt have to sit jobless in the FA pool, but maybe that isn't possible?

If anyone has any suggestions or ideas on how a league like this might work, I'd be glad to hear them. Is it too specific to work the way I envision it or is there enough work arounds to make this work?

Any advice, thoughts or brainstorming, even if you don't know for sure, would be welcome.

bababui · 06-18-2009, 12:31 AM

Its a good and unique idea. It is possible of you play out games but I am not sure about simming. Good luck!!

mm7607 · 06-18-2009, 02:54 AM

I've done something like this. With 15 players per team with 3 of those pitchers. You have disable the AI from making roster changes. Simed all the games to.

spleen1015 · 06-18-2009, 07:26 AM

I was messing around with a league that played 28 games per team, all of them in Friday. The results were decent, not perfect. Of 8 teams, only 1 had a pitcher who started all of the games.

CBL-Commish · 06-18-2009, 07:38 AM

I've thought about adding a league like this to my universe, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Some real life European leagues are a little like this, I believe some of them only play weekend games.

Knowing that most, if not all, pitchers throw better in shorter outings (and that OOTP models this) I'd assume a modern team in a league like this would use 3-4 pitchers a game for a few innings each. When almost every game is a must win I think a team like the Yanks would throw CC out there for 50 pitches, Burnett for another 30-50, Joba for 30-50, and Mariano finishes up. This might be 2-run-a-game baseball.

Unless you have a lot of teams, the supply of good starters will far outstrip the demand with one-man rotations.

And just kind of following with that, you'd assume that defense would take a backseat to offense when thinking about roster construction. Do you really need that weak hitting, great glove shortstop when every one of your pitchers has a K/9 off the charts because he knows he can throw every pitch at 100%? Might as well have a bat everywhere, since runs will be hard to come by and the ball's not going to be in play much anyway.

ripwalk · 06-18-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mm7607

I've done something like this. With 15 players per team with 3 of those pitchers. You have disable the AI from making roster changes. Simed all the games to.

So all teams had to be human controlled? Or what? Can you expand on how this league ran and other house modifications you had to put in place to make it work?

ripwalk · 06-18-2009, 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=CBL-Commish;2760223]
Unless you have a lot of teams, the supply of good starters will far outstrip the demand with one-man rotations.

[QUOTE]

Is there any way to change that? Aside from just manually deleting some pitchers?

Do the draft pools get adjusted depending on the pitcher rotation settings? For example, obviously a league with 6 man rotations would need more pitchers generated than 3 man rotation, etc. Does OOTP recognize this and if I had "1 man rotation" would it create a lower number of pitchers for the draft?

satchel · 06-18-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Does OOTP recognize this and if I had "1 man rotation" would it create a lower number of pitchers for the draft?

No. I'm in a deadball league (the TCBA; link in my sig; currently in the 1870s) and all the teams have 1- or 2-man pitching rotations, and about half of the players in our drafts (six seasons so far) are pitchers, just like usual (and half of those are relievers).

mm7607 · 06-18-2009, 03:42 PM

My league had 24 teams each playing 40 games. I based it on an amateur league I was with in California years ago. I used 1 man rotation with the spot starter pct set so the spot guy got about 5-10 starts with the rest going to the number one guy. I set up the rosters and disabled ai movement of players. This kept 15 players to a team. Also injuries were turned off. As was drafts. I used the game created free agents for new players and would delete the ones I didn't need.

ripwalk · 06-19-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mm7607

My league had 24 teams each playing 40 games. I based it on an amateur league I was with in California years ago. I used 1 man rotation with the spot starter pct set so the spot guy got about 5-10 starts with the rest going to the number one guy. I set up the rosters and disabled ai movement of players. This kept 15 players to a team. Also injuries were turned off. As was drafts. I used the game created free agents for new players and would delete the ones I didn't need.

So when you 'disable AI movement of players' is that basically taking human control on all teams? or is that a different thing altogether?

Will you have to make all roster moves all the time for CPU teams when its set like this?

mm7607 · 06-19-2009, 01:36 AM

I let the computer handle the lineups and manage the games but I control where and when players go.

06-18-2009, 12:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
ripwalk All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Moncton, New Brunswick Posts: 1,080 Thanks: 35 Thanked 46x in 28 posts	Unique league concept - would it work? I've always thought of doing a league similar to the NFL ... There would be short seasons and teams would only play once a week. Every team would have their "QB" (starting pitcher) who was more or less the identity of the team. My question is - would this work in OOTP solo play and would the AI handle its roster correctly? Optimally, in a league like this, it would make the most sense to only have 4-5 pitchers on the active roster maximum, the rest with defensive specialists, possible pinch hitters and extra depth in the field. Is there any settings that could be changed that would help the AI actually manage their teams like this? What impact would lowering the overall maximum roster size have? I imagine it would force the AI to take less pitchers on an active roster if the maximum roster size was 15 or so? Obviously I think you would select "1 Man Rotation" in settings as well as perhaps use of relief pitchers and closers "Rarely".... But, would that change how the AI manages its roster, or just have 1 player listed in the depth chart as an SP, but still have 10 others listed in relief positions/wasting roster spots? Another concern is draft pools .. In a scenario like this I would want a draft pool that has significantly less pitchers both in inaugural and in amateur drafts every year. Is there any way to impact that? It would be nice if the appropriate number of pitchers were created so a bunch of super talented pitchers didnt have to sit jobless in the FA pool, but maybe that isn't possible? If anyone has any suggestions or ideas on how a league like this might work, I'd be glad to hear them. Is it too specific to work the way I envision it or is there enough work arounds to make this work? Any advice, thoughts or brainstorming, even if you don't know for sure, would be welcome. __________________ Like the Blue Jays? Check out Infield Fly! Like another MLB team? We'll probably talk trash about them at some point during the season, so check out Infield Fly as well. Also, like us on Facebook to get updates when new posts go up.

06-18-2009, 07:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,739 Thanks: 15 Thanked 113x in 63 posts	I've thought about adding a league like this to my universe, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Some real life European leagues are a little like this, I believe some of them only play weekend games. Knowing that most, if not all, pitchers throw better in shorter outings (and that OOTP models this) I'd assume a modern team in a league like this would use 3-4 pitchers a game for a few innings each. When almost every game is a must win I think a team like the Yanks would throw CC out there for 50 pitches, Burnett for another 30-50, Joba for 30-50, and Mariano finishes up. This might be 2-run-a-game baseball. Unless you have a lot of teams, the supply of good starters will far outstrip the demand with one-man rotations. And just kind of following with that, you'd assume that defense would take a backseat to offense when thinking about roster construction. Do you really need that weak hitting, great glove shortstop when every one of your pitchers has a K/9 off the charts because he knows he can throw every pitch at 100%? Might as well have a bat everywhere, since runs will be hard to come by and the ball's not going to be in play much anyway. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

06-18-2009, 09:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
ripwalk All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Moncton, New Brunswick Posts: 1,080 Thanks: 35 Thanked 46x in 28 posts	[QUOTE=CBL-Commish;2760223] Unless you have a lot of teams, the supply of good starters will far outstrip the demand with one-man rotations. [QUOTE] Is there any way to change that? Aside from just manually deleting some pitchers? Do the draft pools get adjusted depending on the pitcher rotation settings? For example, obviously a league with 6 man rotations would need more pitchers generated than 3 man rotation, etc. Does OOTP recognize this and if I had "1 man rotation" would it create a lower number of pitchers for the draft? __________________ Like the Blue Jays? Check out Infield Fly! Like another MLB team? We'll probably talk trash about them at some point during the season, so check out Infield Fly as well. Also, like us on Facebook to get updates when new posts go up.

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06-18-2009, 02:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 502 Thanks: 15 Thanked 71x in 46 posts	I've done something like this. With 15 players per team with 3 of those pitchers. You have disable the AI from making roster changes. Simed all the games to.

06-18-2009, 07:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 61 Thanked 132x in 78 posts	I was messing around with a league that played 28 games per team, all of them in Friday. The results were decent, not perfect. Of 8 teams, only 1 had a pitcher who started all of the games.

06-18-2009, 03:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 502 Thanks: 15 Thanked 71x in 46 posts	My league had 24 teams each playing 40 games. I based it on an amateur league I was with in California years ago. I used 1 man rotation with the spot starter pct set so the spot guy got about 5-10 starts with the rest going to the number one guy. I set up the rosters and disabled ai movement of players. This kept 15 players to a team. Also injuries were turned off. As was drafts. I used the game created free agents for new players and would delete the ones I didn't need.

06-19-2009, 01:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 502 Thanks: 15 Thanked 71x in 46 posts	I let the computer handle the lineups and manage the games but I control where and when players go.