Too many releases?

Kemp · 06-19-2009, 08:30 AM

Is anyone else seeing a high number of good prospects getting released? I ran a test league for a couple of decades and it seems like all the top players had been released at least once while in the minors. Some of them had been released by 2 and 3 teams. I ran through my Top 100 Prospects report and 8 of the top 10 had been released by the team that initially drafted them!

Just wondering if it's my setup (I do have a small league) or if others are seeing this as well.

kcroyalgm · 06-19-2009, 08:54 AM

AI release logic always has been and continues to be absurd.

MimesisBTG · 06-19-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcroyalgm

AI release logic always has been and continues to be absurd.

Could this have something to do with scouting? Perhaps the AI is releasing players because another scout does not think as highly of them.

Or does it happen even with scouting turned off?

Kemp · 06-19-2009, 01:18 PM

It's happening way too often to be attributable to coaches. I just opened the game and clicked on the first guy in the Top Prospects report. Here is the important parts of his history....

05-10-1945 Drafted in the 1945 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall Pick) by the Portsmouth Clippers.
05-15-1945 Named the #16 prospect in the PL
03-16-1946 Released by the Portsmouth organization.
03-16-1946 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization.
05-15-1947 Named the #6 prospect in the PL

Another...
05-10-1947 Drafted in the 1947 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 1, 1st overall Pick) by the Fort Collins Cavalry.
05-15-1947 Named the #7 prospect in the PL
06-18-1947 Released by the Fort Collins organization.
06-18-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Portsmouth Clippers organization.

Another...
05-10-1946 Drafted in the 1946 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall Pick) by the Oakdale Oaks.
05-15-1946 Named the #5 prospect in the PL
05-15-1947 Named the #16 prospect in the PL
11-01-1947 Released by the Oakdale organization.
11-02-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization.
12-02-1947 Released by the Oakdale organization.
12-03-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization.

And these guys are just three really quick examples from the top 10 prospects report. It seems like just about every player on the list has been released by the team that drafted them at one point or another.

Spritze · 06-19-2009, 01:53 PM

This was reported during Beta testing and is earmarked for a patch or a future version. The Rule 5 draft also seems affected by this bug or a very similar one.

Kemp · 06-19-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

This was reported during Beta testing and is earmarked for a patch or a future version.

A patch or future version? Is this something that everyone who uses feeder leagues is experiencing? If so, how can anyone possibly play with feeder leagues?!

This just seems like a pretty huge bug to me.

neojonas · 06-19-2009, 06:08 PM

Is this only happening in feeder leagues? Seems like this would be an issue with feeders or generated.

Do you have a roster limit set on your lower levels?

ashantewarrier · 06-19-2009, 07:54 PM

Not good.

jwinbigler · 06-19-2009, 09:39 PM

For what it's worth, I haven't had this problem at all. I have a test league that I've simmed for 45 years (testing many different things for my eventual "final" league). After reading your post, I was curious, so I went to the Top 100 prospects list and looked at each of the top 10. One player was discovered and the rest were drafted from feeder teams. Two had been traded as minor leaguers (relatively fair trades from what I could tell quickly), and the rest were still with their original teams. None were released. I have a 16-team league with 3 levels of minors, and there's no roster limit on any of the minor leagues. Also, there's a 15-round draft. It could be that your draft has too many rounds and you have roster size limits, which forces the AI to release players to make room for their new ones. Of course, I'm just speculating, since I don't know what the rest of your settings are. If you could share your settings and league setup with the rest of us, it may help us recreate the problem and suggest possible solutions.

Kemp · 06-20-2009, 07:52 AM

Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

I greatly increased the roster sizes in my minor leagues and that seems to have resolved the issue. It's weird, though, because I use ghost players and it's not as if the teams were full in the first place.

Oh well, as long as it's working now!

jwinbigler · 06-21-2009, 12:27 PM

Could it be that the "ghost" players were better than the actual prospects in the AI's mind? I know it sounds illogical, but I've seen some weird things with AI in many games. It's always a tough thing to program common sense. Glad to see you got it working.

Kemp · 06-21-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwinbigler

Could it be that the "ghost" players were better than the actual prospects in the AI's mind? I know it sounds illogical, but I've seen some weird things with AI in many games. It's always a tough thing to program common sense. Glad to see you got it working.

I thought about that but I doubt it - there were just too many top 10 guys getting released! But like I said, it's working fine now with the larger roster limits.

The only worry is.... how the heck is the AI evaluating talent if they're cutting top prospects like that??

06-19-2009, 08:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,178 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12x in 4 posts	Too many releases? Is anyone else seeing a high number of good prospects getting released? I ran a test league for a couple of decades and it seems like all the top players had been released at least once while in the minors. Some of them had been released by 2 and 3 teams. I ran through my Top 100 Prospects report and 8 of the top 10 had been released by the team that initially drafted them! Just wondering if it's my setup (I do have a small league) or if others are seeing this as well.

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06-19-2009, 01:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,178 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12x in 4 posts	It's happening way too often to be attributable to coaches. I just opened the game and clicked on the first guy in the Top Prospects report. Here is the important parts of his history.... 05-10-1945 Drafted in the 1945 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall Pick) by the Portsmouth Clippers. 05-15-1945 Named the #16 prospect in the PL 03-16-1946 Released by the Portsmouth organization. 03-16-1946 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization. 05-15-1947 Named the #6 prospect in the PL Another... 05-10-1947 Drafted in the 1947 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 1, 1st overall Pick) by the Fort Collins Cavalry. 05-15-1947 Named the #7 prospect in the PL 06-18-1947 Released by the Fort Collins organization. 06-18-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Portsmouth Clippers organization. Another... 05-10-1946 Drafted in the 1946 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall Pick) by the Oakdale Oaks. 05-15-1946 Named the #5 prospect in the PL 05-15-1947 Named the #16 prospect in the PL 11-01-1947 Released by the Oakdale organization. 11-02-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization. 12-02-1947 Released by the Oakdale organization. 12-03-1947 Signed a 1-year minor league contract with the Oakdale Oaks organization. And these guys are just three really quick examples from the top 10 prospects report. It seems like just about every player on the list has been released by the team that drafted them at one point or another.

06-19-2009, 01:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	This was reported during Beta testing and is earmarked for a patch or a future version. The Rule 5 draft also seems affected by this bug or a very similar one.

06-19-2009, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
neojonas All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 89 Thanked 84x in 34 posts	Is this only happening in feeder leagues? Seems like this would be an issue with feeders or generated. Do you have a roster limit set on your lower levels?

06-19-2009, 09:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
jwinbigler Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	For what it's worth, I haven't had this problem at all. I have a test league that I've simmed for 45 years (testing many different things for my eventual "final" league). After reading your post, I was curious, so I went to the Top 100 prospects list and looked at each of the top 10. One player was discovered and the rest were drafted from feeder teams. Two had been traded as minor leaguers (relatively fair trades from what I could tell quickly), and the rest were still with their original teams. None were released. I have a 16-team league with 3 levels of minors, and there's no roster limit on any of the minor leagues. Also, there's a 15-round draft. It could be that your draft has too many rounds and you have roster size limits, which forces the AI to release players to make room for their new ones. Of course, I'm just speculating, since I don't know what the rest of your settings are. If you could share your settings and league setup with the rest of us, it may help us recreate the problem and suggest possible solutions.

06-20-2009, 07:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,178 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12x in 4 posts	Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I greatly increased the roster sizes in my minor leagues and that seems to have resolved the issue. It's weird, though, because I use ghost players and it's not as if the teams were full in the first place. Oh well, as long as it's working now!

06-21-2009, 12:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
jwinbigler Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Could it be that the "ghost" players were better than the actual prospects in the AI's mind? I know it sounds illogical, but I've seen some weird things with AI in many games. It's always a tough thing to program common sense. Glad to see you got it working.