I love trades like this

ballman · 06-19-2009, 12:37 PM

Okay, fictional league. I had a 2nd baseman that I was not going to be able to resign. He was fairly good, but not an all star. Maybe 50 on a scale of 80. I asked the worst team in the league for their 1st round draft pick. They said fine, but asked for a minor leaguie closer that had alot of upside in addition to my 2nd baseman. In order to get that pick, I said yes.

and then....

I went into the free agent list and guess what? They'd released my minor league closer the next day. I offered him a minor league contract and got him back. So I got my closer and a first pick all for a player that I wasn't going to be able to resign anyway.

I love it when things work out this way...

84CubsFan · 06-19-2009, 01:12 PM

Not good.

cody8200 · 06-19-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 84CubsFan

Not good.

You should try this same trade in the newest patch that came out today and see if it works the same way.

toxicavenger74 · 06-19-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ballman

Okay, fictional league. I had a 2nd baseman that I was not going to be able to resign. He was fairly good, but not an all star. Maybe 50 on a scale of 80. I asked the worst team in the league for their 1st round draft pick. They said fine, but asked for a minor leaguie closer that had alot of upside in addition to my 2nd baseman. In order to get that pick, I said yes.

and then....

I went into the free agent list and guess what? They'd released my minor league closer the next day. I offered him a minor league contract and got him back. So I got my closer and a first pick all for a player that I wasn't going to be able to resign anyway.

I love it when things work out this way...

Do you really love it when things work out that way or do you love it like you hate it. Because I would hate it, so much that I would go in and edit the guy I traded away to make him a little better for the team and make the trade more reasonable.

ballman · 06-19-2009, 01:52 PM

Um, no. I don't feel bad. Why? Andre Either for Milton Bradley. Do you think the A's would love a do-over button or a patch? Yes, I think so. Bad trades happen all the time and that one isn't the onluy example.

gosensgo101 · 06-19-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ballman

Um, no. I don't feel bad. Why? Andre Either for Milton Bradley. Do you think the A's would love a do-over button or a patch? Yes, I think so. Bad trades happen all the time and that one isn't the onluy example.

Give me one example of a team trading for a player and then releasing him the next day.

bababui · 06-19-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Give me one example of a team trading for a player and then releasing him the next day.

It does happen in the NBA for salary cap reasons. I can see trade and release if it makes financial sense for the team doing the releasing.

spleen1015 · 06-19-2009, 02:16 PM

MLB is far from the NBA.

damientheomen3 · 06-19-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

It does happen in the NBA for salary cap reasons. I can see trade and release if it makes financial sense for the team doing the releasing.

it would never make financial sense because the team still needs to pay the contracts. What this game needs is the ability to add a buyout to a contract...

bababui · 06-19-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

it would never make financial sense because the team still needs to pay the contracts. What this game needs is the ability to add a buyout to a contract...

It does make sense if the player the received is not in the teams plans and they acquired him to dump a much larger salary. But a buyout option would be nice. Or a mutual termination if a player thinks he can find a starting job somewhere else.

JoseRijo · 06-19-2009, 02:56 PM

This definitely happens.... It sucks, but it happens. The AI should be forced into simulating the trade's aftermath and if any of the players received need to be released or waived to be demoted, then that player should be considered worthless when evaluating the talent in the trade.

Hasta la vista pelota · 06-19-2009, 03:36 PM

I had a similar trade happen in the ABA league. Added a decent relief pitcher as a throw in to a trade and, same thing, he was promptly released by the other team. I picked him up and he's been my team's closer for two seasons. That was before I changed trading to "Hard."

bababui · 06-19-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

MLB is far from the NBA.

OOTP is not just an MLB simulator and shouldnt lock in all the MLB minutae.

Rand · 06-19-2009, 06:43 PM

I usually leave draft pick trading disabled, good idea poorly implemented. I find the AI is completely worthless as soon as any draft pick is inserted into the trade.
It's incredibly simplistic to trade for the first 5 picks in every draft and never give up anything of any value to you at all.
I'm not sure the AI views draft picks as having any inherent value, and they definitely don't seem to see much difference between a first overall selection and a hundredth overall selection in trade value.

06-19-2009, 12:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
ballman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: riverside, ca Posts: 119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I love trades like this Okay, fictional league. I had a 2nd baseman that I was not going to be able to resign. He was fairly good, but not an all star. Maybe 50 on a scale of 80. I asked the worst team in the league for their 1st round draft pick. They said fine, but asked for a minor leaguie closer that had alot of upside in addition to my 2nd baseman. In order to get that pick, I said yes. and then.... I went into the free agent list and guess what? They'd released my minor league closer the next day. I offered him a minor league contract and got him back. So I got my closer and a first pick all for a player that I wasn't going to be able to resign anyway. I love it when things work out this way...

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06-19-2009, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
84CubsFan Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 356 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Not good.

06-19-2009, 01:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
ballman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: riverside, ca Posts: 119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Um, no. I don't feel bad. Why? Andre Either for Milton Bradley. Do you think the A's would love a do-over button or a patch? Yes, I think so. Bad trades happen all the time and that one isn't the onluy example.

06-19-2009, 02:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 61 Thanked 132x in 78 posts	MLB is far from the NBA.

06-19-2009, 02:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
JoseRijo Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 80 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	This definitely happens.... It sucks, but it happens. The AI should be forced into simulating the trade's aftermath and if any of the players received need to be released or waived to be demoted, then that player should be considered worthless when evaluating the talent in the trade.

06-19-2009, 03:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hasta la vista pelota Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	I had a similar trade happen in the ABA league. Added a decent relief pitcher as a throw in to a trade and, same thing, he was promptly released by the other team. I picked him up and he's been my team's closer for two seasons. That was before I changed trading to "Hard."

06-19-2009, 06:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rand Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	I usually leave draft pick trading disabled, good idea poorly implemented. I find the AI is completely worthless as soon as any draft pick is inserted into the trade. It's incredibly simplistic to trade for the first 5 picks in every draft and never give up anything of any value to you at all. I'm not sure the AI views draft picks as having any inherent value, and they definitely don't seem to see much difference between a first overall selection and a hundredth overall selection in trade value.