New AI Player Evaluation Default

neojonas · 06-19-2009, 09:39 PM

I just noticed that the AI Player Evaluation options defaults have change in this patch. I started up a new game and they are set at 40/40/15/5. I wonder if this fixes some AI issues. Just thought I'd post this in case people want to make this change in their existing leagues.

SteveP · 06-19-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by neojonas

I just noticed that the AI Player Evaluation options defaults have change in this patch. I started up a new game and they are set at 40/40/15/5. I wonder if this fixes some AI issues. Just thought I'd post this in case people want to make this change in their existing leagues.

Don't give it a second thought. It doesn't have a dramatic difference in any respect.

RchW · 06-19-2009, 10:32 PM

I'm not sure there is a "default" setting. Certainly on the boards there are widely divergent opinions on these settings.

SteveP · 06-19-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I'm not sure there is a "default" setting. Certainly on the boards there are widely divergent opinions on these settings.

There is, of course, a default setting. It is what you get when you start a new game. And, yes, it has changed from what it was before. And, no, it won't make a huge difference, and perhaps not even a noticeable one.

MizzouRah · 06-19-2009, 11:39 PM

I switched mine and saw a few lineup changes for the better. Thanks for the info!

SteveP · 06-20-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I switched mine and saw a few lineup changes for the better. Thanks for the info!

Don't want to burst any bubbles, but ... changing the AI player evaluation settings won't have any effect on lineups, batting orders or depth charts. What they might do is effect rosters. So a lineup might change because the roster has changed.

It's actually very difficult to influence how the AI goes about deciding on lineups, batting order and depth charts for AI controlled teams. You have the option to choose "traditional" vs "sabermetric" but that's about it.

People tend to get excited about the AI player evaluation settings because they think it has a big influence on trading, drafting and other major roster decisions. Any serious testing will show that it has an effect, but not a huge one.

I suspect the reason why the default settings have changed might be because Markus provided a new method for calculating overall ratings -- if you choose to use it -- which is based on the AI player evaluation. So, changing these settings can have a big influence on how many stars, or whatever, a player gets for overall rating. But that doesn't have any impact on how a player actually performs.

MizzouRah · 06-20-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

Don't want to burst any bubbles, but ... changing the AI player evaluation settings won't have any effect on lineups, batting orders or depth charts. What they might do is effect rosters. So a lineup might change because the roster has changed.

It's actually very difficult to influence how the AI goes about deciding on lineups, batting order and depth charts for AI controlled teams. You have the option to choose "traditional" vs "sabermetric" but that's about it.

People tend to get excited about the AI player evaluation settings because they think it has a big influence on trading, drafting and other major roster decisions. Any serious testing will show that it has an effect, but not a huge one.

I suspect the reason why the default settings have changed might be because Markus provided a new method for calculating overall ratings -- if you choose to use it -- which is based on the AI player evaluation. So, changing these settings can have a big influence on how many stars, or whatever, a player gets for overall rating. But that doesn't have any impact on how a player actually performs.

Maybe it's just coincidence on my part as I did have a team with a really good contact hitter move down to the #2 spot while a speedy player was moved to the #1 position.. but that could have happened post patch too.

So you're saying if we change these settings, we should probably check the box to make the game give the overall rating based on AI evaluation, not pure ratings?

SteveP · 06-20-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

So you're saying if we change these settings, we should probably check the box to make the game give the overall rating based on AI evaluation, not pure ratings?

No, they aren't linked that way (and, besides, treat what I said as pure speculation on my part

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What I most wanted to communicate was that adjusting these settings doesn't have any direct impact on lineups, batting orders or depth charts. The effect is only indirect (by changing rosters).

The second thing (and, believe me, there are people who vehemently disagree with this) is that changing these settings has a relatively small impact on AI decision making. Another way to say it is that a small percentage of trades (for example) will happen differently than otherwise, but no more than a small percentage. However, you should feel free to play around with them and reach your own conclusions.

As for the new option to make overall ratings work off of AI player evaluation exclusively, I'm frankly not sure that anything of substance is involved. I think it only affects the way those ratings appear to you, but not what the AI does. Why some people want it one way, or some another way, and some don't want it in any way, is something of a mystery to me.

MizzouRah · 06-20-2009, 01:57 PM

Thanks for the reply.. I haven't seen much of a difference, if any, with the box checked or unchecked. Maybe Markus can expand on what difference the overall rating will change with this option checked?

endgame · 06-20-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Thanks for the reply.. I haven't seen much of a difference, if any, with the box checked or unchecked. Maybe Markus can expand on what difference the overall rating will change with this option checked?

Theoretically, and I don't know how often you'd see this, but with stats included (AI Eval) it'd now be possible on occasion to see OVR higher than POT, indicating production not only beyond league averages at that position - if that's how you have it set up - but beyond your expectations for the player.

and only my take on it.

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2009, 03:49 PM

I patched the game and started a test league and I'm not seeing that change. It says my game is patched on the top left corner of the Menu screen, it says I'm up to date, etc.

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2009, 03:57 PM

For the record, I'm seeing 65/20/10/5. A friend of mine also plays OOTP and he's seeing the same even though he patched and started a new game.

endgame · 06-20-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

For the record, I'm seeing 65/20/10/5. A friend of mine also plays OOTP and he's seeing the same even though he patched and started a new game.

Well, it probably won't change your default ratios with the patch. All it changes is adding the option to change whether those evaluation %s are used in the "star-overall" system or using pure ratings. You do see those option boxes added to your game setup, don't you?

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Well, it probably won't change your default ratios with the patch. All it changes is adding the option to change whether those evaluation %s are used in the "star-overall" system or using pure ratings. You do see those option boxes added to your game setup, don't you?

You mean the ones that say "Overall rating based on AI eval, not pure ratings" or "Overall rating based on all players, not positions"?

MizzouRah · 06-20-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

For the record, I'm seeing 65/20/10/5. A friend of mine also plays OOTP and he's seeing the same even though he patched and started a new game.

Are you starting with the MLB quickstart? I believe that's where someone said the 40\40\15\5 change was.

MizzouRah · 06-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

You mean the ones that say "Overall rating based on AI eval, not pure ratings" or "Overall rating based on all players, not positions"?

Yes, that's it.

endgame · 06-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

You mean the ones that say "Overall rating based on AI eval, not pure ratings" or "Overall rating based on all players, not positions"?

The first one, specifically. That's the change.

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Are you starting with the MLB quickstart? I believe that's where someone said the 40\40\15\5 change was.

Yes, I used a quick-start. I'm not seeing any checkboxes under the AI Options tab, though. Only the ones that I mentioned above under the Global Setup tab, but I thought those were there before.

endgame · 06-20-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

Yes, I used a quick-start. I'm not seeing any checkboxes under the AI Options tab, though. Only the ones that I mentioned above under the Global Setup tab, but I thought those were there before.

Not the first one, that was added for the patch.

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

The first one, specifically. That's the change.

But then what are people saying with the 40/40/15/5 default thing?

06-19-2009, 09:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
neojonas All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 89 Thanked 84x in 34 posts	New AI Player Evaluation Default I just noticed that the AI Player Evaluation options defaults have change in this patch. I started up a new game and they are set at 40/40/15/5. I wonder if this fixes some AI issues. Just thought I'd post this in case people want to make this change in their existing leagues.

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MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 3,470 Thanks: 92 Thanked 380x in 214 posts	I switched mine and saw a few lineup changes for the better. Thanks for the info!

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MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 3,470 Thanks: 92 Thanked 380x in 214 posts	Thanks for the reply.. I haven't seen much of a difference, if any, with the box checked or unchecked. Maybe Markus can expand on what difference the overall rating will change with this option checked?

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Ruthian23 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 350 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I patched the game and started a test league and I'm not seeing that change. It says my game is patched on the top left corner of the Menu screen, it says I'm up to date, etc.

06-20-2009, 03:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ruthian23 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 350 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	For the record, I'm seeing 65/20/10/5. A friend of mine also plays OOTP and he's seeing the same even though he patched and started a new game.