Why can't I put my DH in the field?

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 07:32 PM

In real baseball, you can put your DH in the field. After that, however, the DH is lost for the game and the pitcher hits in the slot previously occupied by the player removed from the game.

Is OOTP aware of this glitch and are they planning on fixing it?

Thank you!

Cryomaniac · 07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

IIRC Markus has said it's difficult to code because it causes bugs when one team has no DH and the other does.

So, probably no fix anytime soon.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

IIRC Markus has said it's difficult to code because it causes bugs when one team has no DH and the other does.

So, probably no fix anytime soon.

Very disappointing. This is a very basic rule that apparently they are unwilling to dig deep into the code to fix? This should've been fixed years ago.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 07:55 PM

I appreciate your reply.

StyxNCa · 07-07-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

IIRC Markus has said it's difficult to code because it causes bugs when one team has no DH and the other does.

So, probably no fix anytime soon.

Ah, the ole "difficult to code" excuse, as if programming the entire game was easy.

RchW · 07-07-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by simcrazy

In real baseball, you can put your DH in the field. After that, however, the DH is lost for the game and the pitcher hits in the slot previously occupied by the player removed from the game.

Is OOTP aware of this glitch and are they planning on fixing it?

Thank you!

Because in real baseball you can't. See below.

Designated hitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cryomaniac · 07-07-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Because in real baseball you can't. See below.

Designated hitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From that article:

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However, the designated hitter may change positions to become a position player at any point during the game; if he does so, his team forfeits the role of the designated hitter and the pitcher, another player, or a pinch hitter must bat in the newly-opened spot in the batting order. The designated hitter could also become the pitcher, in which case the pitcher or a pinch hitter must hit when that spot in the batting order comes up again. Likewise, if a pinch-hitter bats for some other player (such as, hypothetically, the first baseman) and then remains in the game as the pitcher, the team would forfeit the use of the DH for the remainder of the game.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Because in real baseball you can't. See below.

Designated hitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your link proves I am right. This is a basic baseball rule:

During the 2005 American League Division Series between the New York Yankees and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, New York had Bernie Williams slated as the designated hitter. [18] Late in the game, manager Joe Torre took Williams out of the DH and put him in center field because of Williams' superior defensive play. Since the Yankees already had the lead, not giving up any more runs was more important to Torre than having a better hitter hit for the pitcher in the game at the time, Yankees closer Mariano Rivera. Because a double switch was used, it was not necessarily a negative situation to have Rivera bat. Rivera's place in the order would only come up if the Yankees batted around, which would have automatically increased their lead late in the game, giving more cushion for the Yankees' best relief pitcher to close out the game.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Ah, the ole "difficult to code" excuse, as if programming the entire game was easy.

Exactly. Listen, I love this game and love what the contributors have accomplished. And I talk with my wallet: I bought OOTP 9 three weeks before OOTP 10 was coming out to support the cause.

But these bugs should be fixed for what they are charging. There's only a few that impair the realism, and this is one. Here's another:

Minor League and Spring Training Injuries - HUGE glitch in the game

RchW · 07-07-2009, 08:07 PM

Yep I missed that.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Yep I missed that.

It happens brotha

StyxNCa · 07-07-2009, 08:49 PM

Nevermind.

simcrazy · 07-07-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Nevermind.

huh?

StyxNCa · 07-07-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by simcrazy

huh?

I posted a response before I saw someone else had posted the same thing so I deleted it.

Left-handed Badger · 07-08-2009, 01:19 AM

I remember I couldnt use a pitcher as a PH/PR a few games back. Did they ever fix that?

jbergey22 · 07-08-2009, 03:59 AM

What the hell would happen if the C gets hurt and your DH is your only other Catcher, happened to the twins a couple years ago when Redmon was catching, Mauer was DHing? This needs to be fixed.

tysok · 07-08-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

What the hell would happen if the C gets hurt and your DH is your only other Catcher, happened to the twins a couple years ago when Redmon was catching, Mauer was DHing? This needs to be fixed.

That's part of the silliness of the OOTP rule... in your case, you are then screwed. You have to leave the C on the bench if you want to have him available to play the field.

It may very well be very hard to code the DH rule to disappear if you change the present DH to the field... that can be accepted. The problem I have is that if you have to change the rules in order for it to work then that rule should be changed to maintain the functionality that the rule allows for. In MLB your DH is not stuck in that position, he CAN come out of there and go into the field if you pay the penalty. The change to the rule for OOTP should be to have the DH act as any other position to maintain that functionality.

If a rule must change, it should be changed in the most logical manner possible.

Cryomaniac · 07-08-2009, 09:51 AM

I'm trying to think what would happen if the OOTP rule was the real life rule, would teams start having three catchers? Or would they stop using Catchers as DHs?

TribeFanInNC · 07-08-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I'm trying to think what would happen if the OOTP rule was the real life rule, would teams start having three catchers? Or would they stop using Catchers as DHs?

I think you would see a lot more utility infielders catching. I know Omar Vizquel and Jolbert Cabrera were emergency catchers on the Indians for a long time.

ajsas01 · 07-08-2009, 10:02 AM

Just play without a DH. I call it "Real Baseball".

In all seriousness, that does suck if you're trying to play with a DH league.

07-07-2009, 07:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
simcrazy All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 520 Thanks: 75 Thanked 26x in 21 posts	Why can't I put my DH in the field? In real baseball, you can put your DH in the field. After that, however, the DH is lost for the game and the pitcher hits in the slot previously occupied by the player removed from the game. Is OOTP aware of this glitch and are they planning on fixing it? Thank you!

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newark, Notts, UK Posts: 2,945 Thanks: 4,387 Thanked 301x in 232 posts	IIRC Markus has said it's difficult to code because it causes bugs when one team has no DH and the other does. So, probably no fix anytime soon. __________________

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StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,000 Thanks: 228 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	Nevermind. Last edited by StyxNCa; 07-07-2009 at 08:50 PM.

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Left-handed Badger All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 1,970 Thanks: 0 Thanked 65x in 56 posts	I remember I couldnt use a pitcher as a PH/PR a few games back. Did they ever fix that? __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

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jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,078 Thanks: 151 Thanked 137x in 105 posts	What the hell would happen if the C gets hurt and your DH is your only other Catcher, happened to the twins a couple years ago when Redmon was catching, Mauer was DHing? This needs to be fixed. Last edited by jbergey22; 07-08-2009 at 04:00 AM.

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simcrazy All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 520 Thanks: 75 Thanked 26x in 21 posts	I appreciate your reply.

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newark, Notts, UK Posts: 2,945 Thanks: 4,387 Thanked 301x in 232 posts	I'm trying to think what would happen if the OOTP rule was the real life rule, would teams start having three catchers? Or would they stop using Catchers as DHs? __________________

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ajsas01 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Saline, MI Posts: 402 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21x in 6 posts	Just play without a DH. I call it "Real Baseball". In all seriousness, that does suck if you're trying to play with a DH league. __________________ Go Tigers!

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