Guy's career cut short; should he be in the HOF?

[damientheomen3]

this guy was drafted 9th overall, made the ASG 8 times and won 3 gold gloves, but suffered a broken kneecap, forcing him to retire at 33. so, should he be in the hall of fame?

[griffeyin98]

if this guy is let in, you better get a quote for adding on to the Hall. With those numbers, there's no way he deserves to be in

[koohead]

can you provide examples of who is currently in the HOF?

[damientheomen3]

only 1 player, because i didnt want any inaugural players making it so i erased all stats after the first 20 years. but think about it, at age 33 he was at 2000 career hits, im pretty sure he coulda gotten to 3000, or at least close...

[koohead]

okay, how about career leaders in hits and RBI and AVG and R?

[bigdgp2]

What position did he play? Even if he played something like CF, he would still be a borderline 'Hall of Very-Good' player. Plus, that -0.2 VORP in 2039 doesn't help his case.

He should not be in the hall of fame.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by bigdgp2

what position did he play? Even if he played something like cf, he would still be a borderline 'hall of very-good' player. Plus, that -0.2 vorp in 2039 doesn't help his case.

He should not be in the hall of fame.

lf/rf

the game hated him as far as PD went, but them it bumped him back up

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by koohead

okay, how about career leaders in hits and RBI and AVG and R?

after 13 seasons, hits: 2696. AVG: .312. RBI: 1878. runs: 1741.

[conception]

No. Great players get a break if they were dominant for semi-long stretches but merely above average players don't. Letting a guy in for just 3000 hits is a token to longevity- not necessarily recognizing that they were better than anyone else in their ERA. But saying this guy was on pace to 3,000 hits is not grounds enough- that's why 3,000 hits is a benchmark.

[kq76]

I always like to ask myself: if you were to make an all-star team of the best players during this player's best decade, would he make it? If so, he's a HoFer.

[damientheomen3]

well, he has the 4th most career homers among OFers, and the 3rd most hits, so i guess that that could argue in his favor.

[hfield007]

I'd say no. Maybe the vets committee will put him in in 60 years lol.

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by hfield007

I'd say no. Maybe the vets committee will put him in in 60 years lol.

I agree.

[RamMan12]

I'd say yes. Looking at his 162-game averages, he performed very well and IMO I would enforce the Addie Joss rule.

[goldenglove_21]

This is a career cut short deserving of the HOF..

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by goldenglove_21

This is a career cut short deserving of the HOF..

he lacked consistency in the home run column

[PhillieFever]

In order to get in with a shortened career,the players needs to be one of the top two or three players in the league for nearly all of his years played.Does he fit that bill? I can't see how with those numbers,I mean a .350 OBA is run of the mill,and so is a career high of 28 homers in a season.

[goldenglove_21]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

he lacked consistency in the home run column

I guess I should have said that this is with SkyDogs stats where in 50 years one player had a season with 50 HRs. His 162 game average of 28 HRs is pretty good I'd say. His career OPS is just a shade under what Albert Pujols has done so far in his career and the guy won 5 MVPs in 10 seasons.

[damientheomen3]

alright, here he is on the career leaderboard:

BA: 25th
H: 5th
HR: 12th (t)
2B: 6th
3B: 10th
VORP: 12th
RBI: 7th
R: 10th

now on the LF career leaderboard:

BA: 4th
H: 3rd
HR: 4th
2B: 2nd
3B: 2nd
VORP: 6th
RBI: 2nd
R: 2nd

so, as you can see, he was one of the best at his position

[BMW]

Originally Posted by RamMan12

I'd say yes. Looking at his 162-game averages, he performed very well and IMO I would enforce the Addie Joss rule.

Addie Joss died from tubercular meningitis. To me, there is a difference when a player's career is cut short by a playing injury or by a non-playing injury. Roberto Clemente's infamous plane crash. Kirby Puckett's glaucoma. Ed Delahanty's mysterious homicide/suicide/accidental death. That's a big difference from when your arms or knees break down from pro sports.

There's one guy on this list of post 1961 LF/RF that I'd consider a potential HOF. That's Raines, and that's because on top of his good hitting, he's one of the best basestealers ever.

Is your leagues' hitting really that weak over all these 40 years?

  Cnt Player             OPS    PA  From  To   Ages   G
+----+-----------------+-----+-----+----+----+-----+----+
    1 Tim Raines         .810 10359 1979 2002 19-42 2502 
    2 Dave Parker        .810 10184 1973 1991 22-40 2466 
    3 Greg Vaughn        .807  7070 1989 2003 23-37 1731 
    4 Ron Gant           .804  7320 1987 2003 22-38 1832 
    5 Gary Matthews      .803  8189 1972 1987 21-36 2033 
    6 Tony Conigliaro    .803  3591 1964 1975 19-30  876 
    7 Henry Rodriguez    .802  3343 1992 2002 24-34  950 
    8 Jesse Barfield     .801  5394 1981 1992 21-32 1428 
    9 Sixto Lezcano      .800  4814 1974 1985 20-31 1291 
   10 Rondell White      .798  5852 1993 2007 21-35 1474 
   11 Steve Kemp         .798  4714 1977 1988 22-33 1168 
   12 Garret Anderson    .794  8721 1994 2009 22-37 2078 
   13 Rusty Staub        .793 11229 1963 1985 19-41 2951 
   14 Marty Cordova      .792  3833 1995 2003 25-33  952 
   15 Leon Wagner        .792  4435 1961 1969 27-35 1152 
   16 Lonnie Smith       .791  5952 1978 1994 22-38 1613 
   17 Shannon Stewart    .790  6205 1995 2008 21-34 1386 
   18 Phil Bradley       .790  4249 1983 1990 24-31 1022