Countries' baseball programs + minor names thing

attackemu · 07-12-2009, 09:05 PM

I mean, look. This isn't a complaint about the game, per se. But the default settings for the names and ethnicities files, as well as the baseball program settings for most countries in the world, are just wrong and amazingly wrong. I know people have made mods to fix it, but you shouldn't need to make mods to fix it. It should come out right.

Examples. In what way do North Korea, India and Kenya have fair baseball programs? In what possible way to Papua New Guinea, Pakistan, Namibia and the Ivory Coast have any baseball programs at all? Mexico is an Excellent baseball country? I guess, in a world where Nicaragua is Good and Argentina is Average. Average Argentina has never had a major league player. Average Colombia has produced 7. (For that matter, Average Guatemala has also produced no major leaguers.) 10 have come from Nicaragua, the Good country.

The distribution of talent in baseball throughout the world is very limited. We shouldn't be giving credit to every country that's got a little league out there. It doesn't genuinely reflect the way baseball is in the world at all. I know for some people, it's probably fun to have Kenyan and Papua New Guinean players show up in the drafts from time to time. Great. Those are the people that should be editing country files. Not the ones who want things to be as they are.

Finally, some minor name complaints. I appreciate that there are loads more ethnicities represented in the name files this year, for those gamers (like myself) who want to set up leagues in foreign countries from time to time. I also appreciate that it's not going to be possible to have name files for every single language, so compromising on things like giving Burmese people Vietnamese names is good enough for the circumstance, unless someone really wants a league in Myanmar. That said, and I'll bet there are other examples, giving 100% of Croatians Serbian names is not only wrong but pretty offensive. As far as I know, the Serbs were unsuccessful in their bloody campaign to bring just that result.

It amazes me that such lengths are taken to give the game maximum accuracy with arbitration rules is so badly inaccurate with this stuff. It's been this way since 2006. Why?

Cryomaniac · 07-12-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by attackemu

Giving 100% of Croatians Serbian names is not only wrong but pretty offensive. As far as I know, the Serbs were unsuccessful in their bloody campaign to bring just that result.

I will agree that that is one generalisation that perhaps should have been better thought out.

treedom · 07-12-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by attackemu

That said, and I'll bet there are other examples, giving 100% of Croatians Serbian names is not only wrong but pretty offensive. As far as I know, the Serbs were unsuccessful in their bloody campaign to bring just that result.

While I think that the 40 slot limit for languages is unfortunate and really wish that it were expanded, I don't see this as being a big deal. The languages are very similar to each other from a linguistic POV. Perhaps it would've been better to have a Serbo-Croat language instead?

Of course then, what about the Bosnians? Ahhh, the Balkans will get you everytime when you try to model ethnicities....

Cryomaniac · 07-12-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by treedom

While I think that the 40 slot limit for languages is unfortunate and really wish that it were expanded, I don't see this as being a big deal. The languages are very similar to each other from a linguistic POV. Perhaps it would've been better to have a Serbo-Croat language instead?

Of course then, what about the Bosnians? Ahhh, the Balkans will get you everytime when you try to model ethnicities....

There should be at least 256 language slots and ethnicities, that should solve some of the Balkans problems (OOTP wise at least).

07-12-2009, 09:05 PM	#1
attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 970	Countries' baseball programs + minor names thing I mean, look. This isn't a complaint about the game, per se. But the default settings for the names and ethnicities files, as well as the baseball program settings for most countries in the world, are just wrong and amazingly wrong. I know people have made mods to fix it, but you shouldn't need to make mods to fix it. It should come out right. Examples. In what way do North Korea, India and Kenya have fair baseball programs? In what possible way to Papua New Guinea, Pakistan, Namibia and the Ivory Coast have any baseball programs at all? Mexico is an Excellent baseball country? I guess, in a world where Nicaragua is Good and Argentina is Average. Average Argentina has never had a major league player. Average Colombia has produced 7. (For that matter, Average Guatemala has also produced no major leaguers.) 10 have come from Nicaragua, the Good country. The distribution of talent in baseball throughout the world is very limited. We shouldn't be giving credit to every country that's got a little league out there. It doesn't genuinely reflect the way baseball is in the world at all. I know for some people, it's probably fun to have Kenyan and Papua New Guinean players show up in the drafts from time to time. Great. Those are the people that should be editing country files. Not the ones who want things to be as they are. Finally, some minor name complaints. I appreciate that there are loads more ethnicities represented in the name files this year, for those gamers (like myself) who want to set up leagues in foreign countries from time to time. I also appreciate that it's not going to be possible to have name files for every single language, so compromising on things like giving Burmese people Vietnamese names is good enough for the circumstance, unless someone really wants a league in Myanmar. That said, and I'll bet there are other examples, giving 100% of Croatians Serbian names is not only wrong but pretty offensive. As far as I know, the Serbs were unsuccessful in their bloody campaign to bring just that result. It amazes me that such lengths are taken to give the game maximum accuracy with arbitration rules is so badly inaccurate with this stuff. It's been this way since 2006. Why? __________________ "Disguised in EMU's Blunt and sometimes hostile post is actually very sound advice. I think you would be wise to consider what he said." -ihatenames Last edited by attackemu; 07-12-2009 at 09:08 PM.