Can someone explain this

PSUColonel · 08-13-2009, 11:08 AM

Why star ratings differ on the same day with the same scout depending on which page I am viewing? (profile page vs. Scouting report page)

Carlton_Willey · 08-13-2009, 02:14 PM

Indeed, this has been bothering me, too. I haven't been able to get a handle on this at all.

At one point, I thought it was tied to the scout reports you request where the scout says a player is one star versus MLB players but three versus his current level. However, that has never seemed to track when I've looked at the player's card after reading the comments.

bailey · 08-13-2009, 02:29 PM

Plus, those are not very impressive stats for a 5-star player.

PSUColonel · 08-13-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Plus, those are not very impressive stats for a 5-star player.

He's not a 5 star player. That is his potential. The question is: what is his current ability?

BTW- this seems to happen with a lot of players? This has been going on for versions now. What gives? Is it a bug?, or is it something I'm not understanding?

SandMan · 08-13-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

BTW- this seems to happen with a lot of players? This has been going on for versions now. What gives? Is it a bug?, or is it something I'm not understanding?

This happens a lot in the game but I don't think that is a bug at all. In Real Life a lot of players do well when they first come up and then the league catches up with them and they are brought back down. Look at the current stats of Bill Hall of the Brewers as a good example. I think the game gets it right with the number of players that fade or fizzle out.

PSUColonel · 08-13-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

This happens a lot in the game but I don't think that is a bug at all. In Real Life a lot of players do well when they first come up and then the league catches up with them and they are brought back down. Look at the current stats of Bill Hall of the Brewers as a good example. I think the game gets it right with the number of players that fade or fizzle out.

That's not the issue. Shouldn't the same scout on the same day be giving the same number of stars as a rating no matter which screen you're looking at?

Malleus Dei · 08-13-2009, 05:01 PM

Threads like this are why I keep scouting turned off.

PSUColonel · 08-13-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Threads like this are why I keep scouting turned off.

this doesn't seem like a difficult concept to me

kq76 · 08-13-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

He's not a 5 star player. That is his potential. The question is: what is his current ability?

Well, looking at his current ability it sure looks like the 1.5 star rating is the more correct rating. A guy who's struggling in just AA shouldn't have anywhere near close a 3.5 star current rating. That said, it looks like you're using a 1-5 scale and with those individual ratings maybe he should be a 3.5 star. So maybe the rating on the profile page is just looking at his ratings, while the rating on his scouting report page is looking at his league level and/or stats.

Why it happens I don't know, but it sure seems to be a bug to me. Those two ratings should be the same as far as I understand it.

BMW · 08-13-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton_Willey

Indeed, this has been bothering me, too. I haven't been able to get a handle on this at all.

At one point, I thought it was tied to the scout reports you request where the scout says a player is one star versus MLB players but three versus his current level. However, that has never seemed to track when I've looked at the player's card after reading the comments.

A new feature was added recently that let you switch between "Ratings relative to all players in league" and "Ratings relative to other players at your position."

Sometimes when you add a new feature like that, you forget to stick the new code in all the places it affects and miss one. Any idea if it's caused by that? It would be a bug, but it would be nice if it could be explained to the programmers.

PSUColonel · 08-13-2009, 10:05 PM

I just don't see how something this obvious is overlooked during beta. There are tons of players where this is the case. How does something this glaring go overlooked?

In fact, I have noticed the same problem with the 20-80 scale as well. On the profile page it gives one rating, on the scouting page, another.

Raidergoo · 08-13-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I just don't see how something this obvious is overlooked during beta. There are tons of players where this is the case. How does something this glaring go overlooked?

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jimi892 · 08-14-2009, 01:31 AM

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A new feature was added recently that let you switch between "Ratings relative to all players in league" and "Ratings relative to other players at your position.

Really? Where do I find this?

rudoggy · 08-14-2009, 10:15 AM

This bug was reported well over a month ago. I was under the impression it had been patch fixed, but had not been able to check on it. I was seeing many many players with scouting reports on 2 different pages, from the same day, same scout, that didn't match up.
I liked the idea of scouting, but it seems that there are still many problems with it.
And since i had to keep turning scouting off to check on the numbers, i have since given up on it.
I hope it makes a good return in future versions.

StyxNCa · 08-14-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I just don't see how something this obvious is overlooked during beta. There are tons of players where this is the case. How does something this glaring go overlooked?

In fact, I have noticed the same problem with the 20-80 scale as well. On the profile page it gives one rating, on the scouting page, another.

Historically there have been several glaring, obvious things that have been overlooked in beta testing so it wouldn't be a shock if this is one.

PSUColonel · 08-14-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Historically there have been several glaring, obvious things that have been overlooked in beta testing so it wouldn't be a shock if this is one.

or you could just turn off stars all together. If you do this, scouting actually works pretty well. It also forces you to be more reliant on individual ratings and stats...which in my opinion is much more realistic anyway. If you recall 3 or so years ago, there was a reason why Markus scrapped the star system.

phenom · 08-14-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimi892

Really? Where do I find this?

League Setup, I do believe.

Malleus Dei · 08-14-2009, 03:17 PM

The best solution is to turn scouts off.

Questdog · 08-14-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

The best solution is to turn scouts off.

But then, you KNOW everything, which is even worse......

Rabbott · 08-22-2009, 02:07 AM

From some testing of turning scouting off and on I found that the only bug here is that the rating that you get under the scouting page is the true rating as if you had no scouting on at all but all the other ratings are based on that scouts opinion which varies from scout to scout depending on what each scout favors and how good of a scout they are and what you have your scouting acuracy set to

so basicly looking at the ratings on the scouting page is almost cheating cause you see the true ratings not the scouts opinion

so it seems like this would be a minor fix

08-13-2009, 11:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Carlton_Willey Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 354 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Indeed, this has been bothering me, too. I haven't been able to get a handle on this at all. At one point, I thought it was tied to the scout reports you request where the scout says a player is one star versus MLB players but three versus his current level. However, that has never seemed to track when I've looked at the player's card after reading the comments. __________________ Marilyn Monroe had gone off on a USO tour, and upon seeing DiMaggio again excitedly told him of her trip. "Joe, there were a hundred thousand people there and they were all cheering and clapping; you've never seen anything like it." "Yes, I have," DiMaggio responded.

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PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,731 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 180x in 110 posts	I just don't see how something this obvious is overlooked during beta. There are tons of players where this is the case. How does something this glaring go overlooked? In fact, I have noticed the same problem with the 20-80 scale as well. On the profile page it gives one rating, on the scouting page, another. Last edited by PSUColonel; 08-13-2009 at 10:15 PM.

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08-14-2009, 10:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
rudoggy Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my own little world Posts: 328 Thanked 17x in 11 posts	This bug was reported well over a month ago. I was under the impression it had been patch fixed, but had not been able to check on it. I was seeing many many players with scouting reports on 2 different pages, from the same day, same scout, that didn't match up. I liked the idea of scouting, but it seems that there are still many problems with it. And since i had to keep turning scouting off to check on the numbers, i have since given up on it. I hope it makes a good return in future versions.

08-22-2009, 02:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
Rabbott Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18	From some testing of turning scouting off and on I found that the only bug here is that the rating that you get under the scouting page is the true rating as if you had no scouting on at all but all the other ratings are based on that scouts opinion which varies from scout to scout depending on what each scout favors and how good of a scout they are and what you have your scouting acuracy set to so basicly looking at the ratings on the scouting page is almost cheating cause you see the true ratings not the scouts opinion so it seems like this would be a minor fix