Ballpark Factors

jasonn29tn14 · 08-14-2009, 11:26 PM

I recently downloaded a set of old ballparks from Padresfan's site and was wondering if anybody could send me a link to some ballpark factors data. I just spent the better part of 2 hours looking and couldn't really find anything useful. I'm sure this info is out there somewhere and I'm just doing a bad job of finding it.

satchel · 08-14-2009, 11:42 PM

Here's the ESPN page with MLB park factors.

jasonn29tn14 · 08-15-2009, 12:05 AM

Thanks for the link. I'll probably use a few of the new parks for my league. But what I'm looking for are ballpark factors for old parks like the Baker Bowl and Ebbets Field, etc. I was really surprised I couldn't find this when I searched earlier. I know the data is out there somewhere and I'm just doing a really bad job of searching for it. My Google search brought up alot of talk and theory (and some cool pictures and history) but little numerical data.

Questdog · 08-15-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

Thanks for the link. I'll probably use a few of the new parks for my league. But what I'm looking for are ballpark factors for old parks like the Baker Bowl and Ebbets Field, etc. I was really surprised I couldn't find this when I searched earlier. I know the data is out there somewhere and I'm just doing a really bad job of searching for it. My Google search brought up alot of talk and theory (and some cool pictures and history) but little numerical data.

Park Directory

They have a lot of home/road stats for old parks, though not comprehensive....

jasonn29tn14 · 08-15-2009, 12:28 AM

Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to get to work on this in the morning and get my league up to speed.

satchel · 08-15-2009, 01:48 AM

Jason, I've sent you a PM that might help.

StyxNCa · 08-15-2009, 06:59 PM

I hope I do this right. I'm attaching a file that has ballpark factors (L\R effects), fence heights, field dimensions, etc for ballparks dating back into the 1800's as well as foreign parks. If it doesn't work, PM me and we can arrange something. You will need to uncompress it and it's in excel format.

jasonn29tn14 · 08-15-2009, 07:33 PM

Great data - thanks

rich12545 · 08-16-2009, 12:15 AM

Thanks from me too.

StyxNCa · 08-16-2009, 03:27 PM

I can't remember where I got that from. I wish I could take credit for it.

damonrusst · 08-17-2009, 03:33 PM

Arent' the ballpark factors/ dimensions automatically imported in historical leagues since version 9?

StyxNCa · 08-18-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by damonrusst

Arent' the ballpark factors/ dimensions automatically imported in historical leagues since version 9?

Yes they do. I don't know about the L/R splits or doubles and triples for older stadiums though.

damonrusst · 08-18-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Yes they do. I don't know about the L/R splits or doubles and triples for older stadiums though.

I thought those started being imported in 9 as well but I could be wrong.

StyxNCa · 08-21-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by damonrusst

I thought those started being imported in 9 as well but I could be wrong.

I thought old stadiums were all set for "100" for doubles and triples. I haven't checked it out for sure so I may be wrong.

The chart I posted has different numbers for stadiums, even those from the 1800's. Where that data came from or how accurate it is, I don't know.

exitonly · 08-23-2009, 03:57 AM

I also downloaded the park files on Padresfan, imported the files and everything looked great but the ballpark factors, which don't make a whole lot of sense to me. just two examples that stood our to me were Yankee Stadium's was at 1.5 for HR, Coors was at 1.028. Then i went over each one, and there were inconsistencies all over the place.

I took an average of this and the previous 5 complete years of ESPN's HR/H/2b/3b Park Factors, which still might not even be a big enough sample size. But Yankee Stadiums at 1.5 and Coors at 1.0 is seems craaaaazy shortsighted. Theres a huge sample size in ballpark factors, yankee stadium prob isn't quite the launching pad it's seemed to be. (Though Coors avg surprised me - still .10 higher than what padrrefan sets it at).Now the guys that set it are smart and prob know this, so if theres some logic i'm missing let me know. I'd understand if the ballpark formulas are different, and ESPN's #'s shouldnt be what i type in, but the rank should be the same i'd think. Maybe not though. If anyone is interested at what i got:

edit: i screwed up for Shea/Citi. I dont know if their dimensions stayed the same and i included all of shea's data. Yankees did, so i think it's pretty reasonable to include their previous years data - it's not like this year would be unprecedented at the old stadium in terms of Ballpark Factor. For the Nationals i didn't count the years they were in Montreal.

oman19 · 09-02-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I can't remember where I got that from. I wish I could take credit for it.

Amazing data I wish I knew who was behind it.

SteveP · 09-03-2009, 02:36 PM

I hope people are giving due consideration to the likelihood that ballpark factors in OOTP don't work the way that ballpark factors from another source work. Put it another way: using ballpark factors from another source may (and probably will) create serious, unrealistic distortions in your results in OOTP.

What we need in OOTP is a ballpark factors editor, similar to one that exists now for player ratings.

Questdog · 09-03-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

I hope people are giving due consideration to the likelihood that ballpark factors in OOTP don't work the way that ballpark factors from another source work. Put it another way: using ballpark factors from another source may (and probably will) create serious, unrealistic distortions in your results in OOTP.

What we need in OOTP is a ballpark factors editor, similar to one that exists now for player ratings.

??

We do....

BaseballMan · 09-03-2009, 03:27 PM

Whats the use in creating historical ballparks if they wont work as they did in real life for that year? Isnt that the point of historical ballparks. Otherwise why not just have all the parks generic.

jasonn29tn14 · 09-03-2009, 04:24 PM

It would be helpful if somebody had a conversion formula for the generic ballpark factors to OOTP factors.

08-14-2009, 11:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	Ballpark Factors I recently downloaded a set of old ballparks from Padresfan's site and was wondering if anybody could send me a link to some ballpark factors data. I just spent the better part of 2 hours looking and couldn't really find anything useful. I'm sure this info is out there somewhere and I'm just doing a bad job of finding it.

08-14-2009, 11:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith AR Posts: 2,680 Thanked 48x in 26 posts	Here's the ESPN page with MLB park factors. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59 IOLD

08-23-2009, 03:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
exitonly Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12	I also downloaded the park files on Padresfan, imported the files and everything looked great but the ballpark factors, which don't make a whole lot of sense to me. just two examples that stood our to me were Yankee Stadium's was at 1.5 for HR, Coors was at 1.028. Then i went over each one, and there were inconsistencies all over the place. I took an average of this and the previous 5 complete years of ESPN's HR/H/2b/3b Park Factors, which still might not even be a big enough sample size. But Yankee Stadiums at 1.5 and Coors at 1.0 is seems craaaaazy shortsighted. Theres a huge sample size in ballpark factors, yankee stadium prob isn't quite the launching pad it's seemed to be. (Though Coors avg surprised me - still .10 higher than what padrrefan sets it at).Now the guys that set it are smart and prob know this, so if theres some logic i'm missing let me know. I'd understand if the ballpark formulas are different, and ESPN's #'s shouldnt be what i type in, but the rank should be the same i'd think. Maybe not though. If anyone is interested at what i got: edit: i screwed up for Shea/Citi. I dont know if their dimensions stayed the same and i included all of shea's data. Yankees did, so i think it's pretty reasonable to include their previous years data - it's not like this year would be unprecedented at the old stadium in terms of Ballpark Factor. For the Nationals i didn't count the years they were in Montreal. Last edited by exitonly; 08-23-2009 at 04:04 AM.

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08-15-2009, 12:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	Thanks for the link. I'll probably use a few of the new parks for my league. But what I'm looking for are ballpark factors for old parks like the Baker Bowl and Ebbets Field, etc. I was really surprised I couldn't find this when I searched earlier. I know the data is out there somewhere and I'm just doing a really bad job of searching for it. My Google search brought up alot of talk and theory (and some cool pictures and history) but little numerical data.

08-15-2009, 12:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to get to work on this in the morning and get my league up to speed.

08-15-2009, 01:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith AR Posts: 2,680 Thanked 48x in 26 posts	Jason, I've sent you a PM that might help.

08-15-2009, 07:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	Great data - thanks

08-16-2009, 12:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
rich12545 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Near Spokane WA Posts: 640 Thanked 64x in 39 posts	Thanks from me too.

08-16-2009, 03:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 2,997 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	I can't remember where I got that from. I wish I could take credit for it.

08-17-2009, 03:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
damonrusst Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 275 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Arent' the ballpark factors/ dimensions automatically imported in historical leagues since version 9?

09-03-2009, 02:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	I hope people are giving due consideration to the likelihood that ballpark factors in OOTP don't work the way that ballpark factors from another source work. Put it another way: using ballpark factors from another source may (and probably will) create serious, unrealistic distortions in your results in OOTP. What we need in OOTP is a ballpark factors editor, similar to one that exists now for player ratings.

09-03-2009, 03:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,473 Thanked 82x in 55 posts	Whats the use in creating historical ballparks if they wont work as they did in real life for that year? Isnt that the point of historical ballparks. Otherwise why not just have all the parks generic.

09-03-2009, 04:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	It would be helpful if somebody had a conversion formula for the generic ballpark factors to OOTP factors.