Can this guy start?

molarmite · 09-01-2009, 02:42 PM

I'm going to start off by saying my rotation is not good, I have a 5 star ace but after that it's a bunch of 2 stars. Here's the guy in question

Stuff - 88
Movement - 64
Control - 61

Fastball - 76
Curveball - 95
Changeup - 18

BUT his stamina is only 35

The game suggests borderline starter and his scouting report says he should be a front of the end rotation guy for years to come. Is it worth it to put him in?

TribeFanInNC · 09-01-2009, 03:12 PM

Assuming 35/100, yes he should be able to start. You just won't get 8 innings out of him much. Expect a lot of pitch counts in the 90s. Looks like he is borderline because his third pitch isn't so hot. I've had some 'borderline starters' be pretty good though.

Mike Donlin · 09-01-2009, 03:22 PM

What he said.

Bluenoser · 09-01-2009, 03:54 PM

How old is he?

What are his potentials?

What has he done previously?

Pirate Fan · 09-01-2009, 05:23 PM

My experience has been that a pitcher with two good pitches and one poor one as above doesn't do very well as a starter but that is based upon limited testing. Also, in my experience when the game says "borderline starter" it actually means he will be shelled as a starter.

molarmite · 09-01-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

How old is he?

What are his potentials?

What has he done previously?

He is 23 and has hit his potential in everything. He was in AA last year but when the league converted from OOTP 9 to OOTP X, his ratings skyrocketed to where they are now.

timmermac · 09-02-2009, 12:08 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't let this guy near the starting rotation. With a stamina that low, he's almost certainly not going to be able to give you 5 innings in a start. Personally, I never start anybody below 70. Preferably 75.

molarmite · 09-02-2009, 02:12 AM

I normally wouldn't consider it but the rest of my rotation is terrible, my second best starter has 67/72/47 and my third is 56/59/53 so he would be a lot better. I guess the best thing would be to give him a start and see.

Does it increase injury risk at all with him throwing more pitches than he should?

Mike Donlin · 09-02-2009, 08:53 AM

He will be fine. If you play out your games, just be sure to take him out when he's tired. If not, no worries.

The only concern is that third pitch, which is a bit weak. But don't let "borderline starter" status scare you. I have had borderline starters who were Cy Young candidates.

jasonn29tn14 · 09-02-2009, 08:55 AM

I had a guy just miss the Cy Young last year who has 40 Stamina. So you should give him a few starts and see how it goes imho.

TribeFanInNC · 09-02-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

Does it increase injury risk at all with him throwing more pitches than he should?

I think the injury risk increases when pitching when 'tired' and even more so when 'exhausted' as listed when playing out games. But this is true with everyone. The mediocre stamina will just make him get to that point a little quicker.

Left-handed Badger · 09-03-2009, 02:06 AM

Well, probably better to get 5 good innings out of him, than 6-7 out of lesser starter. How does your bullpen look?

Markus Heinsohn · 09-03-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Assuming 35/100, yes he should be able to start. You just won't get 8 innings out of him much. Expect a lot of pitch counts in the 90s. Looks like he is borderline because his third pitch isn't so hot. I've had some 'borderline starters' be pretty good though.

Bingo! He will perform a bit better as a reliver, but should be a solid starter...

molarmite · 09-03-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Bingo! He will perform a bit better as a reliver, but should be a solid starter...

I guess that means I should give him a try for a couple starts. My bullpen is already rock solid so removing him shouldn't be too much of a loss.

Pirate Fan · 09-03-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

I guess that means I should give him a try for a couple starts. My bullpen is already rock solid so removing him shouldn't be too much of a loss.

Let us know how he does if you get the chance. I'm curious since, as I wrote, my experience with guys with two good pitches and one poor one is that they don't do well as starters.

timmermac · 09-03-2009, 02:39 PM

Now I'm curious. Could someone post a breakdown of the number of innings and/or pitches someone could throw depending on their stamina? I had been under the impression that anyone below 60 should never, ever see the starting rotation.

kingcharlesxii · 09-03-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by timmermac

I had been under the impression that anyone below 60 should never, ever see the starting rotation.

That was how it was in OOTP 9 - with the new pitching model it is different.

ms2002 · 09-03-2009, 07:03 PM

A 'borderline starter' will be good as a starter if he has average to above-average CONTROL and MOVEMENT. If the guy's value comes from his STUFF, then he'll probably be miserable as a starter.

molarmite · 11-13-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Fan

Let us know how he does if you get the chance. I'm curious since, as I wrote, my experience with guys with two good pitches and one poor one is that they don't do well as starters.

The season is over and I decided to give him a try in the starting rotation and let me tell you, I couldn't have asked for better results. He had 18 starts, only made it past 7 innings 4 times with majority being around 5 or 6 innings. But as a starter he posted a 6-0 record. He had 89 1/3 innings and gave up 30 runs for a 2.97 ERA. He never gave up more than 4 runs a game. So I think the experiment was a success and I might try it again with a new pitcher next year.

jmknpk2 · 11-13-2009, 04:38 PM

I had a pitcher with a 35 stamina in the (five man) starting rotation all season, until he was injured in about the last month, then once again just before the playoffs. I'm sure I over used him, but he performed very well (was my Ace and deserved it) when he pitched.

09-01-2009, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,790 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 81x in 53 posts	Can this guy start? I'm going to start off by saying my rotation is not good, I have a 5 star ace but after that it's a bunch of 2 stars. Here's the guy in question Stuff - 88 Movement - 64 Control - 61 Fastball - 76 Curveball - 95 Changeup - 18 BUT his stamina is only 35 The game suggests borderline starter and his scouting report says he should be a front of the end rotation guy for years to come. Is it worth it to put him in? __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein[/SIZE] "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps."

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TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,532 Thanks: 94 Thanked 268x in 209 posts	Assuming 35/100, yes he should be able to start. You just won't get 8 innings out of him much. Expect a lot of pitch counts in the 90s. Looks like he is borderline because his third pitch isn't so hot. I've had some 'borderline starters' be pretty good though. __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors Last edited by TribeFanInNC; 09-01-2009 at 03:14 PM.

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timmermac Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 153 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	Honestly, I wouldn't let this guy near the starting rotation. With a stamina that low, he's almost certainly not going to be able to give you 5 innings in a start. Personally, I never start anybody below 70. Preferably 75. __________________ I had a blog! Work has kept me too busy to do mcuh OOTPing.

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molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,790 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 81x in 53 posts	I normally wouldn't consider it but the rest of my rotation is terrible, my second best starter has 67/72/47 and my third is 56/59/53 so he would be a lot better. I guess the best thing would be to give him a start and see. Does it increase injury risk at all with him throwing more pitches than he should? __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein[/SIZE] "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps."

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Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 812 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16x in 9 posts	What he said.

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Pirate Fan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 1 post	My experience has been that a pitcher with two good pitches and one poor one as above doesn't do very well as a starter but that is based upon limited testing. Also, in my experience when the game says "borderline starter" it actually means he will be shelled as a starter.

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Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 812 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16x in 9 posts	He will be fine. If you play out your games, just be sure to take him out when he's tired. If not, no worries. The only concern is that third pitch, which is a bit weak. But don't let "borderline starter" status scare you. I have had borderline starters who were Cy Young candidates.

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jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanks: 180 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	I had a guy just miss the Cy Young last year who has 40 Stamina. So you should give him a few starts and see how it goes imho.

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Left-handed Badger All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 1,970 Thanks: 0 Thanked 65x in 56 posts	Well, probably better to get 5 good innings out of him, than 6-7 out of lesser starter. How does your bullpen look? __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

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timmermac Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 153 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	Now I'm curious. Could someone post a breakdown of the number of innings and/or pitches someone could throw depending on their stamina? I had been under the impression that anyone below 60 should never, ever see the starting rotation. __________________ I had a blog! Work has kept me too busy to do mcuh OOTPing.

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ms2002 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Korea Posts: 796 Thanks: 139 Thanked 114x in 56 posts	A 'borderline starter' will be good as a starter if he has average to above-average CONTROL and MOVEMENT. If the guy's value comes from his STUFF, then he'll probably be miserable as a starter.

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jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 706 Thanks: 67 Thanked 103x in 61 posts	I had a pitcher with a 35 stamina in the (five man) starting rotation all season, until he was injured in about the last month, then once again just before the playoffs. I'm sure I over used him, but he performed very well (was my Ace and deserved it) when he pitched.

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