Configuration of your team 31st Aug

[clamel]

This is perhaps a stupid Q,
but this was something I have never heard (not being an American might excuse me)

In a game I watched with the Cardinals the commentators discussed whatever roster setup LaRussa would carry into a playoff..

They then metnioned that whatever configuration of 12 or 11 pitchers they had on their active roster on 31st Aug they MUST have the same going into the playoffs. WHAT ???

Did I hear correct ?

And of course do OOTP follow these rules ?? I must confess I have never come into the "problem" while playing so I don´t know.

Someone with the rule book might enlight me on this

I understand that we have a lot of special rules on eligibility on what players that could be on playoff rosters and such.
Question of course how OOTP follow these...

[RchW]

Originally Posted by clamel

This is perhaps a stupid Q,
but this was something I have never heard (not being an American might excuse me)

In a game I watched with the Cardinals the commentators discussed whatever roster setup LaRussa would carry into a playoff..

They then metnioned that whatever configuration of 12 or 11 pitchers they had on their active roster on 31st Aug they MUST have the same going into the playoffs. WHAT ???

Did I hear correct ?

And of course do OOTP follow these rules ?? I must confess I have never come into the "problem" while playing so I don´t know.

Someone with the rule book might enlight me on this

I understand that we have a lot of special rules on eligibility on what players that could be on playoff rosters and such.
Question of course how OOTP follow these...

No OOTP doesn't follow RL rules and what's worse it allows waiver claims and unlimited call ups etc. in the middle of any series. I posted this elsewhere but a player who played in the playoffs for another team can end up (via a waiver claim) in the WS. It's a serious flaw that really affects playoff results IMO.

[TribeFanInNC]

Originally Posted by RchW

No OOTP doesn't follow RL rules and what's worse it allows waiver claims and unlimited call ups etc. in the middle of any series. I posted this elsewhere but a player who played in the playoffs for another team can end up (via a waiver claim) in the WS. It's a serious flaw that really affects playoff results IMO.

I haven't seen it happen, but it is conceptually true. OOTP follows no special rules that I know of either. I make house rules for myself. I'm sure the AI handles the playoffs much like it does the regular season.

Somebody should add this to suggestions for OOTP 11, if only to give Markus another look at it.

[UWHabs]

I wouldn't mind at least seeing fixed rosters for each series. In theory, if you wanted to cheat in OOTP, you could have your 21 year old ace pitch game 1, then send him down and call up an extra reliever/pinch hitter for games 2/3/4, then bring him back up for game 5.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by clamel

TIn a game I watched with the Cardinals the commentators discussed whatever roster setup LaRussa would carry into a playoff..

They then metnioned that whatever configuration of 12 or 11 pitchers they had on their active roster on 31st Aug they MUST have the same going into the playoffs.

The players eligible for the post-season are all those players on the active roster and on either Disabled List as of August 31st.

So, for example, if a club had no one on the DL as of that date, then the post-season roster could only consist of the 25 players that were on the active roster. If a club had 3 players on the DL in addition to the 25 players on the active roster, then it has a total of 28 players who are eligible to play in the post-season. And so on.

The only exception to that list of post-season eligible players is in the case of injury at the time a post-season series starts. For each player who is injured and unable to play prior to the commencement of a playoff series, the club may substitute the injured player with a player from anywhere within that club's organization, provided they were with the club as of August 31st. This player need not have even played in the Major Leagues prior to being named a substitute. The substitution player does need to be on the 40-man roster to play, however, so if such a player was not on the 40-man roster beforehand, he would have to be added to it (which of course necessitates removing another player).

Players injured during the course of a post-season series can also be substituted with another player from anywhere in the club's organization. The limitation there is that the substitute needs to play in the same general position (catcher, pitcher, infielder, or outfielder) as the injured player, and the injured player cannot be used in any subsequent post-season game, even if he has recovered from his injury.

[clamel]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The players eligible for the post-season are all those players on the active roster and on either Disabled List as of August 31st.

So, for example, if a club had no one on the DL as of that date, then the post-season roster could only consist of the 25 players that were on the active roster. If a club had 3 players on the DL in addition to the 25 players on the active roster, then it has a total of 28 players who are eligible to play in the post-season. And so on.

The only exception to that list of post-season eligible players is in the case of injury at the time a post-season series starts. For each player who is injured and unable to play prior to the commencement of a playoff series, the club may substitute the injured player with a player from anywhere within that club's organization, provided they were with the club as of August 31st. This player need not have even played in the Major Leagues prior to being named a substitute. The substitution player does need to be on the 40-man roster to play, however, so if such a player was not on the 40-man roster beforehand, he would have to be added to it (which of course necessitates removing another player).

Players injured during the course of a post-season series can also be substituted with another player from anywhere in the club's organization. The limitation there is that the substitute needs to play in the same general position (catcher, pitcher, infielder, or outfielder) as the injured player, and the injured player cannot be used in any subsequent post-season game, even if he has recovered from his injury.

BUT OOTPX doesn´t follow this at all ,eh
So the AI can roam around with whatever it needs playing a dynasty.
I guessed this looking over past seasons for myself. Hm I might have bended some of these rules myself.

Anyone coming up with a way to get close to RL playing a dynasty ???
Will it be a Commis thing trying to stop not eligible players to be used by the AI, or have everyone just dropped it ??
Stopping the AI to make roster moves perhaps going into the playoffs.
Will that work ??

[jasonn29tn14]

I've seen the AI making some major moves in the post season as well. Maybe this could have something to do with why some people think the AI "cheats" them in the playoffs. In this particular case they would be correct.

[endgame]

I haven't spent much time in the playoffs with X, but at least 9< I can definitely recall a message popup when trying to move players on and off the roster during playoffs - and usually the result of injury - telling me demotion/promotion was not possible during the playoffs. Basically, it made you wait until the between series day or days.

If this has changed for X, I'm unaware of it, and if the AI can do and the human team can't, that's an additional problem, but one particular to this version then, IMO. This is documented behaviour in X?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by clamel

BUT OOTPX doesn´t follow this at all, eh.

No, it doesn't, unfortunately, It's a shortcoming that's been remarked upon before.

[clamel]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

No, it doesn't, unfortunately, It's a shortcoming that's been remarked upon before.

I read in another thread that this was under Markus watchfull eye and hopefully should be fixed.

Lets hope for the best

[conception]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The players eligible for the post-season are all those players on the active roster and on either Disabled List as of August 31st.

So, for example, if a club had no one on the DL as of that date, then the post-season roster could only consist of the 25 players that were on the active roster. If a club had 3 players on the DL in addition to the 25 players on the active roster, then it has a total of 28 players who are eligible to play in the post-season. And so on.

The only exception to that list of post-season eligible players is in the case of injury at the time a post-season series starts. For each player who is injured and unable to play prior to the commencement of a playoff series, the club may substitute the injured player with a player from anywhere within that club's organization, provided they were with the club as of August 31st. This player need not have even played in the Major Leagues prior to being named a substitute. The substitution player does need to be on the 40-man roster to play, however, so if such a player was not on the 40-man roster beforehand, he would have to be added to it (which of course necessitates removing another player).

Players injured during the course of a post-season series can also be substituted with another player from anywhere in the club's organization. The limitation there is that the substitute needs to play in the same general position (catcher, pitcher, infielder, or outfielder) as the injured player, and the injured player cannot be used in any subsequent post-season game, even if he has recovered from his injury.

Is it really that they have to be on the active roster on August 31st? I think your post is misleading unless I'm getting it wrong (which I could be, as these rules have changed frequently). I thought they had to have been on the active roster as of August 31st, which means that players who had been sent to the minors could still be on the postseason roster.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by conception

Is it really that they have to be on the active roster on August 31st?

Yes, active roster (in addition to the Disabled, Suspended, Bereavement, or Military lists).

But clubs can 'game' the system by putting players onto the DL just before the deadline to buy themselves some additional post-season roster spots. You can find cases of transactions where a player is called up from the minors and then put on the 60-day DL just so the club will get that extra eligible player slot.