Minor League Teams

[mgom27]

A Database for the Game needs to include full Minor League Teams with people for one that you just imported Teams into a League because If you create a Historical league you can have Minor league Teams with fictional people/Teams but not real Minor League People/Teams from that year and would eb nice

[bababui]

Could you be more specific please?

[Afino]

I wish I could sign a ghost player.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by mgom27

A Database for the Game needs to include full Minor League Teams with people for one that you just imported Teams into a League because If you create a Historical league you can have Minor league Teams with fictional people/Teams but not real Minor League People/Teams from that year and would eb nice

I dont think that even Lehman DB has minor league rosters. It would be a hella lot of work to make those.

If I could beg you to use punctuation, it would be so much easier to understand what you are writing.

[Killing Time]

I actually understood what he wrote. I'm going to go have a stiff drink.

[Coreyettinger]

Originally Posted by bababui

I dont think that even Lehman DB has minor league rosters. It would be a hella lot of work to make those.

If I could beg you to use punctuation, it would be so much easier to understand what you are writing.

I believe he means that when creating a league from a DB - such as Gambo's, when you create a league it only comes with the MLB. It does not come with the correct minor leagues. You can add them, but they aren't automatically imported the way they are as of now.

IE the Twins farm system wont include the Red Wings/Rock Cats/Miracle/Snapper etc....

Its something I'm having an issue with. Im ok with the fact that Gambo's DB doesn't have every single player to have played professional baseball. But It would be nice if, when creating a league, I didn't have to go through and manually edit every single one of the teams.

I'm also having a helluva time when using Gambo's DB getting appropriate peak stats. For example when using Gambo, guys like Han-Ram and Reyes (and nearly everyone else) has a peak rating of 20 when they're in the minors. Clearly something isn't right.

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, I'm just not sure what that something is.

[mgom27]

The Professional Baseball Player Database Version 6.0 but don't know if it includes more people.
If I wanted to do 1979 I could just load the 1977 League that somebody made and try and updated to look like 1979 same goes for like 2008 or before with a 09 Roster set.

[Le Grande Orange]

That database includes only the barest of stats (just three categories each for pitchers and hitters). The online SABR minor league database carried at Baseball-Reference.com is far superior, though still very much incomplete (there are many leagues and seasons yet to include).

As to having a database which simply constructs a minor league setup appropriate to the historical year selected, there are practical problems associated with OOTP managing any such sort of database.

Minor leagues have come and gone quite frequently over the years, and individual teams have come and gone even more frequently. OOTP cannot handle as yet the folding of teams and leagues in historical leagues (as evidenced by the many compromises in teams and league structure which must be made to accommodate 19th century Major League baseball in the game).

Perhaps when OOTP is able to handle leagues/teams folding then a minor league structure database can be created for the game. It would still be something requiring considerable effort to put together though because of the huge amount of data involved. (And in any case OOTP needs to better recreate and manage the major-minor relationship.)

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by Afino

I wish I could sign a ghost player.

Actually, there's a way to get Joe Unknown (actually a bunch) into an expansion draft, and have him get picked, which would make him a permanent player, I believe.

I created this problem for myself (it's essentially a bug, but a rare one) and it took some effort to fix it.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

That database includes only the barest of stats (just three categories each for pitchers and hitters). The online SABR minor league database carried at Baseball-Reference.com is far superior, though still very much incomplete (there are many leagues and seasons yet to include).

As to having a database which simply constructs a minor league setup appropriate to the historical year selected, there are practical problems associated with OOTP managing any such sort of database.

Minor leagues have come and gone quite frequently over the years, and individual teams have come and gone even more frequently. OOTP cannot handle as yet the folding of teams and leagues in historical leagues (as evidenced by the many compromises in teams and league structure which must be made to accommodate 19th century Major League baseball in the game).

Perhaps when OOTP is able to handle leagues/teams folding then a minor league structure database can be created for the game. It would still be something requiring considerable effort to put together though because of the huge amount of data involved. (And in any case OOTP needs to better recreate and manage the major-minor relationship.)

I had mentioned in another thread that you have to take the Lahman import for what it is. It's wasn't designed to do a lot of these things. It originally imported seasons from 1901-present. It used the Lahman database because it's free and it has an excellent track record of being produced each year and being publicly available. Therefore, you can count on Lahman being Lahman year after year. Markus doesn't have to do any additional work to get the database ready each year, but the flipside is that Markus can't use functionality that isn't in the Lahman database.

That's changed somewhat since the original design. It can now import 1876-1900, and eventually it was expanded to include 1871-1875. But it does make compromises.

Today, the OOTP's version of the database does have some additional fields. Here's the problem, though. The more and more you deviate from the standard Lahman format, the more that you're counting on someone from the OOTP community to maintain these extra features from year to year.

Yes, I think it can be maintained as it stands. But it's also possible that one day either the community support will dwindle where this doesn't get done (and now you can't use the Lahman database provided its basic structure stays the same) or the extra features in the database grow to a size where it becomes too much of a chore for the community to maintain it.

It's possible that neither of those events come to pass, but they are both things that a developer needs to keep in mind when designing how it works.

LGO is also right in that OOTP does not automate the addition and subtraction of leagues or teams. But to go further beyond that, the import can work only with the AL and NL. Nothing more than that. It's not designed to. So minor leagues being imported in some Lahman-like fashion is not something that can be done right now.