Strategy settings after patch question - Page 2

SteveP · 10-20-2009, 01:24 PM

I think people still aren't focusing on the idea that if you don't have a manager or bench coach, there isn't anything for the AI to use as a basis for setting strategies. Period. The AI can only set (or "recommend" if you prefer) strategies on the basis of some manager/coaches strategy preferences. There is no other way it can happen. The AI doesn't have the ability to "create" strategies through some type of analysis -- it can only copy them from somewhere.

LeiterFanatic · 10-20-2009, 03:58 PM

I always assumed there was a "HAL"-type A/I that ran your team as if it were their team albeit temporarily, when you gave it the permission to do so... (generating line-ups, organizing minors) even of coaches were set to "off". Maybe this is why the game still wants to play Jack Clark over Don Mattingly at 1st for the 1988 Yankees!

While we are on the subject, is it true that simming using the HALF-INNING tab at the bottom does NOT activate any A/I decision making for your team during that period (relievers, pinch hitters, etc)????

Bluenoser · 10-20-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

I think people still aren't focusing on the idea that if you don't have a manager or bench coach, there isn't anything for the AI to use as a basis for setting strategies. Period. The AI can only set (or "recommend" if you prefer) strategies on the basis of some manager/coaches strategy preferences. There is no other way it can happen. The AI doesn't have the ability to "create" strategies through some type of analysis -- it can only copy them from somewhere.

I understand what you are saying, but what did it work off of previously then, prior to the patch? It was an option then.

Killebrew · 10-20-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

I think people still aren't focusing on the idea that if you don't have a manager or bench coach, there isn't anything for the AI to use as a basis for setting strategies. Period. The AI can only set (or "recommend" if you prefer) strategies on the basis of some manager/coaches strategy preferences. There is no other way it can happen. The AI doesn't have the ability to "create" strategies through some type of analysis -- it can only copy them from somewhere.

You obviously do not have an over abundance of faith in the OOTP AI:P.

I always assumed the many coach decisions available to a OOTP user even with coaches turned off simply represented the AI's best guess, the same way every AI run team works in the game. Hopefully that meant the AI judged the teams strengths/weaknesses at least somewhat, but even if it did not it is still a helpful feature for a user who is not interested in micro management. It seems like this "bug-fix" is actually a removal of a feature that is common in many simulations:/.

SteveP · 10-20-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Killebrew

You obviously do not have an over abundance of faith in the OOTP AI

Hmmm ... well, I certainly don't want to be at cross-purposes with anyone's belief systems.

My posts were not about the shortcomings of this AI, or AIs in general. I was just trying to help people to understand exactly what happens when you ask the AI to set team strategies. I can't comment on what it did, or how it did it, prior to version 9 of OOTP, because I don't know.

I am now done beating this dead horse.

Bluenoser · 10-20-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

Hmmm ... well, I certainly don't want to be at cross-purposes with anyone's belief systems.

My posts were not about the shortcomings of this AI, or AIs in general. I was just trying to help people to understand exactly what happens when you ask the AI to set team strategies. I can't comment on what it did, or how it did it, prior to version 9 of OOTP, because I don't know.

I am now done beating this dead horse.

Prior to version 9?

Try OOTPX - as you were able to do this in X up until the most recent patch.

Killebrew · 10-21-2009, 06:07 PM

This patch#4 issue of no longer having the ability to set 'best AI strategy' does not bother me for the MLB level teams since I would always want to do that anyway, but it is annoying for the minor league affiliates.

endgame · 10-22-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Killebrew

This patch#4 issue of no longer having the ability to set 'best AI strategy' does not bother me for the MLB level teams since I would always want to do that anyway, but it is annoying for the minor league affiliates.

There's too much being read into all of this. I don't think the strategies change much, if at all, should you leave it alone, BUT I don't know what harm could come of turning coaches on, using the option for your minor leagues if that's what bothers you, then turning it off again. Check your strategies at that point, unless it shows "This league does not use coaches" or something on that order, and see if the sliders are still set in a similar fashion to what your Ask AI/Manager maneuver selected.

jbergey22 · 10-22-2009, 01:50 AM

I guess what is confusing to me is that if you want this option to work doesnt it also mean that you want Coaching on as well?

I thought the reason people play without coaching is because they dont like the different unusual strategies some of the computer managers use but in return arent you sort of asking for this now with the "Ask coach" strategy?

I guess Im kind of confused. If I wanted to play vanilla stretegies Id play coaching off which is exactly what you are getting by default on the strategy screen. If I wanted a little more extreme strategies I play coaching on which is what it gives me.

Am I not understanding what some of you are after?

Airassault101O3 · 10-22-2009, 09:35 AM

I agree..I have coaching on, it lets the individual coaches of teams set their own strategies, so each plays in a particular way without my interference. Anything then, that I want to change, is easy...the strategy button changes, and you just hit the option that says 'override team strategy' and you have it...it is the best of both.

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jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,034 Thanked 126x in 95 posts	I guess what is confusing to me is that if you want this option to work doesnt it also mean that you want Coaching on as well? I thought the reason people play without coaching is because they dont like the different unusual strategies some of the computer managers use but in return arent you sort of asking for this now with the "Ask coach" strategy? I guess Im kind of confused. If I wanted to play vanilla stretegies Id play coaching off which is exactly what you are getting by default on the strategy screen. If I wanted a little more extreme strategies I play coaching on which is what it gives me. Am I not understanding what some of you are after? Last edited by jbergey22; 10-22-2009 at 01:51 AM.

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10-20-2009, 01:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	I think people still aren't focusing on the idea that if you don't have a manager or bench coach, there isn't anything for the AI to use as a basis for setting strategies. Period. The AI can only set (or "recommend" if you prefer) strategies on the basis of some manager/coaches strategy preferences. There is no other way it can happen. The AI doesn't have the ability to "create" strategies through some type of analysis -- it can only copy them from somewhere.

10-20-2009, 03:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
LeiterFanatic All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,129 Thanked 48x in 33 posts	I always assumed there was a "HAL"-type A/I that ran your team as if it were their team albeit temporarily, when you gave it the permission to do so... (generating line-ups, organizing minors) even of coaches were set to "off". Maybe this is why the game still wants to play Jack Clark over Don Mattingly at 1st for the 1988 Yankees! While we are on the subject, is it true that simming using the HALF-INNING tab at the bottom does NOT activate any A/I decision making for your team during that period (relievers, pinch hitters, etc)????

10-22-2009, 09:35 AM	#30 (permalink)
Airassault101O3 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 22	I agree..I have coaching on, it lets the individual coaches of teams set their own strategies, so each plays in a particular way without my interference. Anything then, that I want to change, is easy...the strategy button changes, and you just hit the option that says 'override team strategy' and you have it...it is the best of both.