I must have clear a understanding...please!!!

[PSUColonel]

Can someone please explain EXACTLY how the scouting system relates as far as the star system goes? On the player profile page (not the BNN one) the stars are constantly and sometimes vastly different from the stars on the scouting page. The same holds true for the 20-80 scale as well. What is going on? I have been searching for an explanation for some time, but all I really get is: "it's working as intended". What does that mean?

[molarmite]

It would help if we could see a screenshot so we know what exact screens you're talking about.

[PSUColonel]

[Markus Heinsohn]

The reason is rather simple: On the scouting page, you see the stars the way there were at the time the scouting report was issued, using the player position the scout thinks the player should be. On the profile it is the current position that's used.

In this case, on 4/16/2010 the scout rates the guy being a 1.5 star starting pitcher compared to league average. On the profile though, the current position is used, which is relief pitcher, and in the meantime the league average (ratings are always relative to this) probably has changed a bit, hence the different potential rating (which still applies to SP since this is what the scout thinks the pitcher will eventually be).

[spitfire]

Markus, you've lost me here. What indication do we have that the scout thinks the player in question should be a starter and is rating him as such? His suggested role is bullpen, the scouting report sez he's suited for mop-up work, and the player is satisfied with his role on the team of middle reliever. So why is the scout rating him as a starter and how are we supposed to know that's what's happening?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by spitfire

Markus, you've lost me here. What indication do we have that the scout thinks the player in question should be a starter and is rating him as such? His suggested role is bullpen, the scouting report sez he's suited for mop-up work, and the player is satisfied with his role on the team of middle reliever. So why is the scout rating him as a starter and how are we supposed to know that's what's happening?

Right now, he's actually the 5th starter in the rotation, although I don't see that continuing on a long term basis.

[JackRules1]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Right now, he's actually the 5th starter in the rotation, although I don't see that continuing on a long term basis.

I see from his stats that he has started three games this year (and relieved in six), but beyond that I also am not seeing where he is being rated as a starter by the scout, especially as it would seem that he was relieving back on 4/16, as he is currently the 5th starter.

[Tom the Fish]

What I don't get is how the overall rating is 5 stars and the potential rating is 1 star, with the potential and "real" numbers being exactly the same.

Tom

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Tom the Fish

What I don't get is how the overall rating is 5 stars and the potential rating is 1 star, with the potential and "real" numbers being exactly the same.

Tom

This is something I have never got. If his stuff/movement/control is the same between current and potential, i don't understand how there can be such a wide variance with his star rating.

Also, I do not understand how this guy could be a 1.5 star guy on 4/16, but now on 5/22. I am not understanding what Markus posted there. There is nothing on his profile page where he should be rated as a starter.

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Tom the Fish

What I don't get is how the overall rating is 5 stars and the potential rating is 1 star, with the potential and "real" numbers being exactly the same.

If I'm reading Markus's answer correctly (which is a pretty big "if" ...), the 5 star overall rating shows the pitcher's rating relative to other MR's (his current position), while the 1 star potential shows the scout's opinion of this guy's potential relative to starting pitchers, as the scout has somehow decided he should be a starter despite everything we actually see on the scouting report. Does that make sense to anyone? If so, can you please explain to me what I just said? I still have no idea why the scout has decided to rate this guy against starters rather than relievers, and how we're supposed to know that this is what's happening. The more I think about this the less sense it makes to me.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by spitfire

If I'm reading Markus's answer correctly (which is a pretty big "if" ...), the 5 star overall rating shows the pitcher's rating relative to other MR's (his current position), while the 1 star potential shows the scout's opinion of this guy's potential relative to starting pitchers, as the scout has somehow decided he should be a starter despite everything we actually see on the scouting report. Does that make sense to anyone?

Yes, that is exactly how it works.

When scouting a player and storing the report, the scout has to choose a set of players which to compare the player against. With pitchers this is sometimes tricky, as for example this guy has 4 pitches and the stamina to be a starter.

The rating you see on the profile is always relative to other players of the same current role/position of the player, and changes if you change the role/position.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The rating you see on the profile is always relative to other players of the same current role/position of the player, and changes if you change the role/position.

His current role/position is MR though. And the scouting report is talking about how he shouldnt be in with the game on the line he is better suited for mopup work. His suggested role is also bullpen. Why would this scout take matters into his own hands a rate him against other starting pitchers. The rest of what you say makes sense but this doesnt. If a guy like this is rated against other SP's when his suggested/current role is RP than this must be a bug IMO.

PSU may be using him as a starter but he hasnt changed his role to starter so why would the AI think that?

[endgame]

I understood this in theory, but admit that today's discussion has caused me to raise an eyebrow on one or two occasions. Can someone find an example of a batter, preferably a starting position player, with a scouting and profile report done within a couple of days of one another in 10.4.31? Then, for comparison sake, another hitter, this time one with limited playing time or at least a utility fielder able to play multiple positions and over the same time frame, i.e. within a few days of each other? I'll take a look at pitchers later.

Thanks, and I'll tacke this myself late tonight at home should I get time, if no one has a response before. I appreciate your help and concerns here.

[playball335]

The same discussion happened here w/o resolution. Notice that in this example the ratings are compared on the same day, yet differ.

Can someone explain this

Big discrepancy between ratings. What is even more confusing is that the ratings on both pages are through the same scouts "eyes".

[PSUColonel]

I'm still not understanding this. I think scouting needs another overhaul. It shouldn't be implemented in this fashion.

[Tom the Fish]

I'm even more confused now then I was before I asked the question...

Tom

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I'm still not understanding this. I think scouting needs another overhaul. It shouldn't be implemented in this fashion.

Ditto. As it was explained, it's just not right.

I'm turning scouts off from now on.

[conception]

Originally Posted by Killing Time

Ditto. As it was explained, it's just not right.

I'm turning scouts off from now on.

This may be a weird way of rating overall and current potential as far as the stars are concerned, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with scouting as a whole. Your scout still sees ratings which will vary depending on how good your scout is and what type he is.

I think the star ratings are a little weird, though I understand how Markus explained it. I don't see why that should taint your view of scouting as a whole, as I find it works very well. At any rate, I consider the star ratings to be a very short summation of the players possible value. But I find assigning my own value to players, based on the ratings and the performance I can see, is one of the most fun aspects of OOTP. I've often found a three star player to be more of what I needed at a given position than a five star player, even though there were reasons why the five star player could technically be the better overall player. That's what playing a baseball game is all about.

[PSUColonel]

I guess playing with scouting is okay...maybe it's the overall star ratings that need to be turned off

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I guess playing with scouting is okay...maybe it's the overall star ratings that need to be turned off

Bingo. I would never play my solo league without scouts. I would also never play my solo league with star ratings, just never really cared for them. I much prefer using the 20-80 scale.