Intervene or not: That is the question

EMSoccerCoach · 11-01-2009, 02:11 PM

There are two weeks left in the season. I don't manage a team, I just sim and watch it play out to write my dynasty, the Pastime Baseball League (link in my sig, if you're interested).

Louisville and New York have been in a dogfight pennant race all year. The two close out the season with a four-game series against each other.

On Sept. 21, New York ace Jim McCormick hits a batter after allowing a homer...and gets suspended for 10 games, which means he could be activated for the last game of the season, but who knows if the AI would pick him.

On Sept. 24, Louisville ace Roy Oswalt has the same happen, and gets a 10-game suspension, which would in effect end his season.

The question...do I shorten the suspensions to 5 games to ensure both men get to pitch that final series, or let it be? I just can't believe in real life a commissioner would let suspensions determine a pennant race like this. They are separated by a game right now with 10 days left.

Appreciate the feedback.

mtopham · 11-01-2009, 02:15 PM

Suspend them both until the last game of the season, and if the teams are tied, use your power to unsuspend and start them against each other!

spleen1015 · 11-01-2009, 02:30 PM

Leave it the way it is.

PhillieFever · 11-01-2009, 02:36 PM

The suspensions must be upheld IMO.No question about it.Plus,it makes for one whale of a storyline.Both teams have their top pitcher's suspended going into the final series of the year,for the pennant no less?Great stuff.

AirmenSmith · 11-01-2009, 02:40 PM

I voted to leave them suspended. This is the beginning of a great rivalry in your dynasty. Also what is the name of you louisville team? I just expanded my league to include the Louisville Sluggers and the Las Vegas Aces.

EMSoccerCoach · 11-01-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

I voted to leave them suspended. This is the beginning of a great rivalry in your dynasty. Also what is the name of you louisville team? I just expanded my league to include the Louisville Sluggers and the Las Vegas Aces.

I've got the Louisville Racers...horse & jockey logo!

Athletics17 · 11-01-2009, 02:44 PM

There are 25 guys on a team. Let some one else step up.

EMSoccerCoach · 11-01-2009, 02:44 PM

I am amazed this poll has gone the way it has! Appreciate the feedback. I thought for sure a lot of folks would say to overrule it.

I think my hesitation about leaving it came from McCormick's suspension ending in time for him to pitch the finale. Were they both to miss the series - or both to make it back - I don't think I'd question it.

Also hurts that Oswalt has been great all three years of the PBL's existence, but never won the Outstanding Pitcher or made the playoffs, and now seems poised to possibly do both...and he'll be on the sidelines. Certainly makes for a good story, though!

Simmo13 · 11-01-2009, 02:47 PM

Leave the suspensions as they are.....it's a good story, I look forward to finding out how it unfolds!

Eugene Church · 11-01-2009, 05:11 PM

I just had a team's ace pitcher suspended 10 days for fighting, which meant he would miss the playoffs.

I think this is not realistic. Leagues might suspend him a start, but not 10 days.

Next playoff season, I am going to disable the suspensions mode to avoid this problem.

Eugene Church · 11-01-2009, 05:13 PM

Question:

How do you edit the suspensions?

I wish I could have done it this season in my league.

RchW · 11-01-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugene Church

I just had a team's ace pitcher suspended 10 days for fighting, which meant he would miss the playoffs.

I think this is not realistic. Leagues might suspend him a start, but not 10 days.

Next playoff season, I am going to disable the suspensions mode to avoid this problem.

I don't like or use suspensions. Too arbitrary for me.

I do agree with the majority view on the OP's question though.

canadiancreed · 11-01-2009, 05:39 PM

Sounds like suspensions have some actual teeth to me. I might consider adding them to the next fictional league I do.

Malleus Dei · 11-01-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

I don't like or use suspensions. Too arbitrary for me.

I do agree with the majority view on the OP's question though.

What he wrote.

BaseballMan · 11-01-2009, 07:36 PM

I agree with keeping the suspensions. Would you overrule it if it were for 2 last place teams or in the middle of the season? You set your rules before the season and those players broke the rules.

rich12545 · 11-01-2009, 10:39 PM

I have no problem with suspensions if they're realistic. It's like being on the dl for two months with a sprained finger.

Since these suspensions aren't realistic, I'd cut them both in half. Has nothing to do with the rivalry or whatever. They're unrealistic suspensions and it should be fixed. I haven't looked but maybe it's a txt file and can be changed.

conception · 11-01-2009, 11:37 PM

In my mind, it's not the suspensions deciding the playoff race. If these guys were real players, they would have made the decision to do what they did, which considering the punishment was probably the wrong one. Those players put the playoffs at stake themselves.

I know the game randomly generates this type of thing, but its supposed to represent something that occurs in real life. People can accept injuries in the game but for some they have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of a suspension.

Also, I'd like the think that IRL a commissioner wouldn't let the popularity of a player or the time of year cloud his judgement on what the penalty should be. We know this not to be true, but in my mind punishment should be consistent.

BaseballMan · 11-01-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rich12545

I have no problem with suspensions if they're realistic. It's like being on the dl for two months with a sprained finger.

Since these suspensions aren't realistic, I'd cut them both in half. Has nothing to do with the rivalry or whatever. They're unrealistic suspensions and it should be fixed. I haven't looked but maybe it's a txt file and can be changed.

While i do agree that the suspensions may be a little unrealistic, i am more in favor of editing what you can before the season and let whatever is going to happen to happen. Like if you dont want CEI then decide yes or no and how you will edit it before the season or when you start a league. Others may not like that way but i would find myself overruling a suspension or CEI of Joe Dimaggio while letting it stand for other players.
But then i wouldnt be against allowing for appeals. Where theres a choice. either to lose the player for 10 games now or take a chance and get it reduced to 5 games. Dont players get to play during appeals?
Anyways i would love to have a big story like that in my league.

conception · 11-02-2009, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

While i do agree that the suspensions may be a little unrealistic, i am more in favor of editing what you can before the season and let whatever is going to happen to happen. Like if you dont want CEI then decide yes or no and how you will edit it before the season or when you start a league. Others may not like that way but i would find myself overruling a suspension or CEI of Joe Dimaggio while letting it stand for other players.
But then i wouldnt be against allowing for appeals. Where theres a choice. either to lose the player for 10 games now or take a chance and get it reduced to 5 games. Dont players get to play during appeals?
Anyways i would love to have a big story like that in my league.

Have you suggested appeals in the OOTP 11 features thread? That might not be a bad idea if incorporated well.

BaseballMan · 11-02-2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conception

Have you suggested appeals in the OOTP 11 features thread? That might not be a bad idea if incorporated well.

Never thought about it till now. I just assumed its been mentioned before. Im pretty sure it probably has.

View Poll Results: Should I adjust the suspensions?
Yeah, reduce them to five	8	12.50%
Nope, them's the breaks, leave it as is	56	87.50%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

11-01-2009, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
EMSoccerCoach Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,440 Thanked 104x in 88 posts	Intervene or not: That is the question There are two weeks left in the season. I don't manage a team, I just sim and watch it play out to write my dynasty, the Pastime Baseball League (link in my sig, if you're interested). Louisville and New York have been in a dogfight pennant race all year. The two close out the season with a four-game series against each other. On Sept. 21, New York ace Jim McCormick hits a batter after allowing a homer...and gets suspended for 10 games, which means he could be activated for the last game of the season, but who knows if the AI would pick him. On Sept. 24, Louisville ace Roy Oswalt has the same happen, and gets a 10-game suspension, which would in effect end his season. The question...do I shorten the suspensions to 5 games to ensure both men get to pitch that final series, or let it be? I just can't believe in real life a commissioner would let suspensions determine a pennant race like this. They are separated by a game right now with 10 days left. Appreciate the feedback. __________________ The Pastime Baseball League The Pastime Baseball League - 10-Year Recap The Pastime Boxing Association

11-01-2009, 02:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 5,020 Thanked 85x in 50 posts	Leave it the way it is. __________________ GM Indianapolis 500s- Classic Baseball Union

11-01-2009, 02:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
AirmenSmith All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,154 Thanked 124x in 70 posts	I voted to leave them suspended. This is the beginning of a great rivalry in your dynasty. Also what is the name of you louisville team? I just expanded my league to include the Louisville Sluggers and the Las Vegas Aces. __________________ Go to ITP forums and show your support for the greatest baseball RPG ever

11-01-2009, 02:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,131 Thanked 255x in 207 posts	There are 25 guys on a team. Let some one else step up. __________________ LRS-Hyakujuu Shinkansen(2011-) Team Shinkansen.com-For Hyakujuu Shinkansen Official Merchandise

11-01-2009, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
mtopham Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 81 Thanked 8x in 7 posts	Suspend them both until the last game of the season, and if the teams are tied, use your power to unsuspend and start them against each other!

11-01-2009, 02:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Philly Posts: 5,848 Thanked 289x in 252 posts	The suspensions must be upheld IMO.No question about it.Plus,it makes for one whale of a storyline.Both teams have their top pitcher's suspended going into the final series of the year,for the pennant no less?Great stuff.

11-01-2009, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
EMSoccerCoach Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,440 Thanked 104x in 88 posts	I am amazed this poll has gone the way it has! Appreciate the feedback. I thought for sure a lot of folks would say to overrule it. I think my hesitation about leaving it came from McCormick's suspension ending in time for him to pitch the finale. Were they both to miss the series - or both to make it back - I don't think I'd question it. Also hurts that Oswalt has been great all three years of the PBL's existence, but never won the Outstanding Pitcher or made the playoffs, and now seems poised to possibly do both...and he'll be on the sidelines. Certainly makes for a good story, though! __________________ The Pastime Baseball League The Pastime Baseball League - 10-Year Recap The Pastime Boxing Association

11-01-2009, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Simmo13 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: those blue remembered hills Posts: 646 Thanked 42x in 33 posts	Leave the suspensions as they are.....it's a good story, I look forward to finding out how it unfolds!

11-01-2009, 05:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,947 Thanked 96x in 50 posts	I just had a team's ace pitcher suspended 10 days for fighting, which meant he would miss the playoffs. I think this is not realistic. Leagues might suspend him a start, but not 10 days. Next playoff season, I am going to disable the suspensions mode to avoid this problem.

11-01-2009, 05:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,947 Thanked 96x in 50 posts	Question: How do you edit the suspensions? I wish I could have done it this season in my league.

11-01-2009, 05:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,022 Blog Entries: 1 Thanked 115x in 84 posts	Sounds like suspensions have some actual teeth to me. I might consider adding them to the next fictional league I do.

11-01-2009, 07:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,473 Thanked 82x in 55 posts	I agree with keeping the suspensions. Would you overrule it if it were for 2 last place teams or in the middle of the season? You set your rules before the season and those players broke the rules.

11-01-2009, 10:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
rich12545 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Near Spokane WA Posts: 640 Thanked 64x in 39 posts	I have no problem with suspensions if they're realistic. It's like being on the dl for two months with a sprained finger. Since these suspensions aren't realistic, I'd cut them both in half. Has nothing to do with the rivalry or whatever. They're unrealistic suspensions and it should be fixed. I haven't looked but maybe it's a txt file and can be changed.

11-01-2009, 11:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
conception All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 861 Thanked 77x in 45 posts	In my mind, it's not the suspensions deciding the playoff race. If these guys were real players, they would have made the decision to do what they did, which considering the punishment was probably the wrong one. Those players put the playoffs at stake themselves. I know the game randomly generates this type of thing, but its supposed to represent something that occurs in real life. People can accept injuries in the game but for some they have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of a suspension. Also, I'd like the think that IRL a commissioner wouldn't let the popularity of a player or the time of year cloud his judgement on what the penalty should be. We know this not to be true, but in my mind punishment should be consistent. Last edited by conception; 11-01-2009 at 11:40 PM.

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