$1 changes a trade

bulldog55 · 11-01-2009, 07:03 PM

I don't play solo very much so I don't know how long this has been an issue or if people already know about it, but I'm finding that adding $1 to a trade will change the AI's response drastically.

With no cash being offered, the AI will only accept one player from me when I click "Make this work now": Elijah Dukes - 24 years old, 4.5 stars. I accidentally typed $1 instead of $1,000,000 when seeing if cash would help the deal, and when I click the "make it work" button then, they ask for 11 different players, one of them a 27-year-old SP with 1/2 star current rating and 2-star potential.

While the other additional players they ask for are pretty good, $1 should not change the trade at all. It makes me question how the AI values cash and whether I should just not be offering it at all now - how can I know that I'm playing fair even when offering realistic sums of money?

Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using the MLB quickstart.

Afino · 11-01-2009, 07:18 PM

This has been a long-running issue that insignificant amounts of cash sway the AI.

Usually, most players have to put house rules in to not add cash, since it's so easy to take advantage.

TribeFanInNC · 11-01-2009, 07:21 PM

I saw it once in beta testing. I was trying to trade for an old guy on waivers in July to use as a PH and platoon 1B. I tried to give several different prospects, but no dice. But the AI would take $1, as you saw.

It isn't super easy to reproduce, so I don't think it ever got fixed.

SteveP · 11-01-2009, 07:33 PM

I'll just confirm that I've seen similar behavior a number of times (and I'm not a particularly active trader). I suspect it's a issue that never got teed up for work in OOTP10. It should be given high priority for OOTP11. I don't desist from adding cash entirely, but like any other factor in a trade, try to make it realistic as much as I can.

bulldog55 · 11-04-2009, 12:11 AM

This is really frustrating when I'm trying to make a trade that puts the AI over budget, but I don't want to offer cash not knowing if it's legit. This should be given top priority for v11, since X apparently is done being patched. It makes trading cash essentially unusable.

eriqjaffe · 11-04-2009, 12:40 AM

Perhaps the AI really wants to get something on the value menu.

Killing Time · 11-04-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Perhaps the AI really wants to get something on the value menu.

Yes. I was visualizing the AI thinking "Man, I'd kill right now for some McNuggets. If only I had a dollar. Oh, wait."

AndrewG · 11-04-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Usually, most players have to put house rules in to not add cash, since it's so easy to take advantage.

Its as easy asd that... the AI wont do this type deal between each other (Add a dollar to swing a deal)

Its all about policing yourself... otherwise yes its an issue, but really... as long as you can follow a self imposed rule, and take advantage of it, it wont be a negative thing.

jasonn29tn14 · 11-04-2009, 11:32 AM

I will make trades involving cash - but usually the cash involved is a million or more. It's as simple as never trying to use $1 to swing a trade imho.

BMW · 11-04-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

I will make trades involving cash - but usually the cash involved is a million or more. It's as simple as never trying to use $1 to swing a trade imho.

It would be good if OOTP used this as a rule, somehow tied to average player salaries in the setup tab rather than a hard figure like $1,000,000. Anything below say "Poor Player Salary" would just be interpreted as fluff.

jasonn29tn14 · 11-04-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW

It would be good if OOTP used this as a rule, somehow tied to average player salaries in the setup tab rather than a hard figure like $1,000,000. Anything below say "Poor Player Salary" would just be interpreted as fluff.

Yeah, I wish the AI could be improved to understand that $1 (or even $100) doesn't affect the value of the trade offer.

TribeFanInNC · 11-04-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

Yeah, I wish the AI could be improved to understand that $1 (or even $100) doesn't affect the value of the trade offer.

We'll have to push it again for next year. I captured the $1 thing in a fresh bug this summer, but a little too late to affect change.

BMW · 11-04-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonn29tn14

Yeah, I wish the AI could be improved to understand that $1 (or even $100) doesn't affect the value of the trade offer.

Well, theoretically, $100 in 1871 may be a reasonable amount. It certainly isn't today. That's why I mention it should be tied to the current league financials.

11-01-2009, 07:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 7 Posts: 2,088 Thanked 15x in 7 posts	$1 changes a trade I don't play solo very much so I don't know how long this has been an issue or if people already know about it, but I'm finding that adding $1 to a trade will change the AI's response drastically. With no cash being offered, the AI will only accept one player from me when I click "Make this work now": Elijah Dukes - 24 years old, 4.5 stars. I accidentally typed $1 instead of $1,000,000 when seeing if cash would help the deal, and when I click the "make it work" button then, they ask for 11 different players, one of them a 27-year-old SP with 1/2 star current rating and 2-star potential. While the other additional players they ask for are pretty good, $1 should not change the trade at all. It makes me question how the AI values cash and whether I should just not be offering it at all now - how can I know that I'm playing fair even when offering realistic sums of money? Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using the MLB quickstart. __________________ Commissioner of: Transcontinental Baseball Association (est. 1870) Los Angeles Mustangs MLB 93 Los Angeles Dodgers

11-01-2009, 07:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Thanked 253x in 204 posts	I saw it once in beta testing. I was trying to trade for an old guy on waivers in July to use as a PH and platoon 1B. I tried to give several different prospects, but no dice. But the AI would take $1, as you saw. It isn't super easy to reproduce, so I don't think it ever got fixed. __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

11-04-2009, 12:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 7 Posts: 2,088 Thanked 15x in 7 posts	This is really frustrating when I'm trying to make a trade that puts the AI over budget, but I don't want to offer cash not knowing if it's legit. This should be given top priority for v11, since X apparently is done being patched. It makes trading cash essentially unusable. __________________ Commissioner of: Transcontinental Baseball Association (est. 1870) Los Angeles Mustangs MLB 93 Los Angeles Dodgers

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11-01-2009, 07:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	I'll just confirm that I've seen similar behavior a number of times (and I'm not a particularly active trader). I suspect it's a issue that never got teed up for work in OOTP10. It should be given high priority for OOTP11. I don't desist from adding cash entirely, but like any other factor in a trade, try to make it realistic as much as I can.

11-04-2009, 11:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
jasonn29tn14 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 290 Thanked 15x in 9 posts	I will make trades involving cash - but usually the cash involved is a million or more. It's as simple as never trying to use $1 to swing a trade imho.