Convert a 6.5 League to 10?

coljesep · 11-10-2009, 11:56 AM

I'm one of those guys who loves OOTP 6.5. Frankly, 2007 and 8 gave no reasons to upgrade, OOTP 9 looked good and I liked it in the demo but it didn't Wow me. 10 looks pretty solid and if we're ever going to upgrade it makes sense to do so with OOTP 10.

My question is, we are 10 years into our season. Obviously nobody wants to start over... is there a proven way to convert the league to 10?

So with the biggest fear being Ratings... I can tell these differences between 6.5 and 10

Hitters:
Actual #'s assigned to Errors, Turn DP, and Position Ratings.
Actual #s assigned to leader, loyalty, desire for winner.
Added: Greed, Intelligence, Work Ethic

Pitchers:
Actual #s assigned to quality of pitches in repetoire (so how would that convert?)
Actual #s assigned to leader, loyalty, desire for winner.
Added: Greed, Intelligence, Work Ethic

Do those translate over? Has anybody converted a 6.5 league successfully and been happy with how they've done it? I mean obviously the best way is so that the best players in our 6.5 remain the best players in our 10...

Any insight would be much appreciated!

BMW · 11-10-2009, 12:24 PM

I don't have any really fantastic detailed answers, but I do have some insight, which is certainly valid.

Regardless of whether or not you feel the conversion "worked" properly, virtually everyone in your league will attribute downgrades in performance in players to "being screwed by the conversion." So that's something to be wary of.

TribeFanInNC · 11-10-2009, 12:27 PM

Well, the answer to your question is kinda long. There is no direct way to convert a 6.5 league to OOTP X. I think the last version to accommodate 6.5 imports was OOTP 8. You will have to convert to 8, then to 9, then finally OOTP X. OOTP 8 is available for free and you can use the OOTP 9 demo to convert to 9 (also available for free). There have been plenty of online leagues that have made the conversions through the ages (probably even before 6.5) successfully. Certainly it can be done. You might lose some history in the conversions. Also ratings convert pretty differently through the versions.

That being said, I would probably personally just start over with a fresh league in OOTP X unless there is some reason you can't live without what you've accomplished. OOTP X is a very, very different game from 6.5 and I tend not to like what the conversion process does to players and ratings. You end up with completely different players with the same names. Make up a creative reason for rebooting your league instead. My two cents.

Good luck.

Malleus Dei · 11-10-2009, 12:38 PM

You wouldn't be happy with what happens if you convert, but you will be happy with OOTP X itself, which in its currently patched version - even though it is still inexplicably missing some important features from 6.5 - is a solid and stable game with a lot of virtues of its own.

But - and it's a big but - the game is now different enough that a straight conversion will really disappoint you guys. So, if it were me and my friends, we would be starting a new OOTP X league from scratch. You can always carry over a tiny bit by assigning drafting position based on the old league's overall records.

BMW · 11-10-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

But - and it's a big but

And he cannot lie.

Who Killed Kenny? · 11-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Another this is history. It will not come with you from 6.5 to 10. If history is important you will lose it within the game. (Of course you can still keep it outside the game). A while back someone made a tool to move history over, but I was never able to make it work.

coljesep · 11-11-2009, 10:37 AM

I appreciate the notes above...By the sounds of it, OOTP X is not in our future. While I can absolutely respect the fact OOTP X is the new and better sim, we have 26 guys who have invested 10 seasons into a league and starting over is not an option... so that kinda sucks. I posted on the 9 board a similar question because I know OOTP 9 uses the same player ratings... generally you'll likely never get a 100% player skill conversion but if OOTP 9 is as close as it comes then maybe that's our best move?

I'm usually an anti Sim changing guy... heck I've fun an FPS 98 league now since 2002 and we'll never change our sim... but it just seems like 6.5 is becoming extinct and it's tough to find new owners for that league!

Bluenoser · 11-11-2009, 10:46 AM

OOTPX uses the same ratings as well, it's just that they're likely to get scewed in the conversion. Same will happen going to OOTP9.

My suggestion is to download the required Demo's, do the conversion with a copy of your league file, have a look at it and see if you're satisfied. Then make a decision from there. It involves a bit of time and work but at the end of the day, you the league members, will be able to make an informed decision on what you want to do.

spleen1015 · 11-11-2009, 10:47 AM

If it is getting increasingly harder to find owners, you might end up folding the league if you stick with 6.5.

TribeFanInNC · 11-11-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by coljesep

I'm usually an anti Sim changing guy...

I'm usually the complete opposite. I like how new versions handle situations differently. I get bored and annoyed with the same shortfalls of the same version.

Appreciate and enjoy the simplicity, ease of use, and complete history you have in your 6.5 league. There is definitely something to be relished there. I can see why you wouldn't want to change.

My only idea would be that you can give OOTP 8 a try. It's free for everybody. Try a test league. If a lot of people like it, you can stick with it. If not, stay with 6.5. You might have marginally more success recruiting new members for an 8 league. Maybe.

jmknpk2 · 11-11-2009, 10:52 AM

I would definitely say give it a try. I am in leagues that have converted with each new release and I think it is ok. Sure there are some players whose rating is changed, but it is not like a totally new player. Maybe a great player goes to a very good player. But on the other hand some very good players become great players. I think overall, the general flavor of a team will be in tact. Of course a jump from 6.5 to 10 would result in larger differences than jumping only one version at a time. I would rather play with a converted team (and inherit the differences) than start from scratch.

Malleus Dei · 11-11-2009, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW

And he cannot lie.

That made no sense to me at all at first, but fortunately one of my black friends was able to explain to me that it was a hip-hop reference.

Malleus Dei · 11-11-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

My suggestion is to download the required Demo's, do the conversion with a copy of your league file, have a look at it and see if you're satisfied. Then make a decision from there. It involves a bit of time and work but at the end of the day, you the league members, will be able to make an informed decision on what you want to do.

This is a very good idea. I miss 6.5 myself, but it's time to seriously look into moving on.

spleen1015 · 11-11-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

That made no sense to me at all at first, but fortunately one of my black friends was able to explain to me that it was a hip-hop reference.

How did you know one of your black friends had the answer?

Malleus Dei · 11-11-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015

How did you know one of your black friends had the answer?

I didn't. First I looked in Urban Dictionary, where most phrases that I don't get are explained, however scarily. Then I asked my family and none of them knew. Next I asked a bunch of neighbors and friends who were over at the house for barbecue if any of them knew what it meant. Most of them are younger than I am and I wrongly had it figured for a generational thing and not a musicality thing, but I was wrong. It was a hip-hop thing, and one of them knew that.

Phrases that I don't "get" tend to bother me. I like to know what things mean.

11-10-2009, 11:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
coljesep Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 166 Thanked 23x in 20 posts	Convert a 6.5 League to 10? I'm one of those guys who loves OOTP 6.5. Frankly, 2007 and 8 gave no reasons to upgrade, OOTP 9 looked good and I liked it in the demo but it didn't Wow me. 10 looks pretty solid and if we're ever going to upgrade it makes sense to do so with OOTP 10. My question is, we are 10 years into our season. Obviously nobody wants to start over... is there a proven way to convert the league to 10? So with the biggest fear being Ratings... I can tell these differences between 6.5 and 10 Hitters: Actual #'s assigned to Errors, Turn DP, and Position Ratings. Actual #s assigned to leader, loyalty, desire for winner. Added: Greed, Intelligence, Work Ethic Pitchers: Actual #s assigned to quality of pitches in repetoire (so how would that convert?) Actual #s assigned to leader, loyalty, desire for winner. Added: Greed, Intelligence, Work Ethic Do those translate over? Has anybody converted a 6.5 league successfully and been happy with how they've done it? I mean obviously the best way is so that the best players in our 6.5 remain the best players in our 10... Any insight would be much appreciated!

11-10-2009, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Thanked 253x in 204 posts	Well, the answer to your question is kinda long. There is no direct way to convert a 6.5 league to OOTP X. I think the last version to accommodate 6.5 imports was OOTP 8. You will have to convert to 8, then to 9, then finally OOTP X. OOTP 8 is available for free and you can use the OOTP 9 demo to convert to 9 (also available for free). There have been plenty of online leagues that have made the conversions through the ages (probably even before 6.5) successfully. Certainly it can be done. You might lose some history in the conversions. Also ratings convert pretty differently through the versions. That being said, I would probably personally just start over with a fresh league in OOTP X unless there is some reason you can't live without what you've accomplished. OOTP X is a very, very different game from 6.5 and I tend not to like what the conversion process does to players and ratings. You end up with completely different players with the same names. Make up a creative reason for rebooting your league instead. My two cents. Good luck. __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

11-11-2009, 10:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 5,264 Thanked 372x in 244 posts	OOTPX uses the same ratings as well, it's just that they're likely to get scewed in the conversion. Same will happen going to OOTP9. My suggestion is to download the required Demo's, do the conversion with a copy of your league file, have a look at it and see if you're satisfied. Then make a decision from there. It involves a bit of time and work but at the end of the day, you the league members, will be able to make an informed decision on what you want to do. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

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spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 5,020 Thanked 85x in 50 posts	If it is getting increasingly harder to find owners, you might end up folding the league if you stick with 6.5. __________________ GM Indianapolis 500s- Classic Baseball Union

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11-10-2009, 12:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
BMW All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,471 Thanked 491x in 204 posts	I don't have any really fantastic detailed answers, but I do have some insight, which is certainly valid. Regardless of whether or not you feel the conversion "worked" properly, virtually everyone in your league will attribute downgrades in performance in players to "being screwed by the conversion." So that's something to be wary of.

11-10-2009, 03:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Who Killed Kenny? Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 384 Thanked 38x in 28 posts	Another this is history. It will not come with you from 6.5 to 10. If history is important you will lose it within the game. (Of course you can still keep it outside the game). A while back someone made a tool to move history over, but I was never able to make it work.

11-11-2009, 10:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
coljesep Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 166 Thanked 23x in 20 posts	I appreciate the notes above...By the sounds of it, OOTP X is not in our future. While I can absolutely respect the fact OOTP X is the new and better sim, we have 26 guys who have invested 10 seasons into a league and starting over is not an option... so that kinda sucks. I posted on the 9 board a similar question because I know OOTP 9 uses the same player ratings... generally you'll likely never get a 100% player skill conversion but if OOTP 9 is as close as it comes then maybe that's our best move? I'm usually an anti Sim changing guy... heck I've fun an FPS 98 league now since 2002 and we'll never change our sim... but it just seems like 6.5 is becoming extinct and it's tough to find new owners for that league!

11-11-2009, 10:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 664 Thanked 96x in 54 posts	I would definitely say give it a try. I am in leagues that have converted with each new release and I think it is ok. Sure there are some players whose rating is changed, but it is not like a totally new player. Maybe a great player goes to a very good player. But on the other hand some very good players become great players. I think overall, the general flavor of a team will be in tact. Of course a jump from 6.5 to 10 would result in larger differences than jumping only one version at a time. I would rather play with a converted team (and inherit the differences) than start from scratch.