Why is my team broke (2 images)

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 08:56 PM

Online league, Cubs are down 0-2 in the NLCS. Anyway, I keep having a hell of a time REALLY understanding the finances in this game. I mean, it seems like it makes sense but how does this add up?

If my budget is $132M and I'm over that to around $149M including coaches, why am I in debt over $25M? Especially since my starting balance was $10M in the black.

Not sure, but it sucks for being a sold out every game type of team to not be able to resign a SINGLE player and it looks like I wont be able to sign any FA's either.

Afino · 11-10-2009, 09:00 PM

Your cash amounts means nothing in terms of BUDGET room. You're over budget by $25 million, but only in DEBT $14 million because of your $10 million starting cash.

jduteau · 11-10-2009, 09:14 PM

Well, you started with $10M. Your expenses are $158M and your revenue is $135M. So you spent $23M more than you took in. So you have, at the end of the season, -$13M. So you have *no* money for free agents. That seems simple to me. Your problem is that you vastly overestimated the amount of revenue you were going to get - your salaries are just too high.

Sorry.

Flying Dutchmen · 11-10-2009, 09:16 PM

I'd guess you released someone during the year who made around $7-8M and that's where the other part of your expenses is coming from. That doesn't show up under player payroll or staff payroll after it's done but does go into your expenses to date.

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 09:28 PM

This is pretty much the default Cubs I was given at the start of the league. I may have cut a few guys making $400-$600k, but not that much that it would add up to $8M.

Is the luxury tax kicking in here?

TribeFanInNC · 11-10-2009, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

This is pretty much the default Cubs I was given at the start of the league. I may have cut a few guys making $400-$600k, but not that much that it would add up to $8M.

10 guys at $400k-$600k is $4M-$6M. The minimums add up after a while.

Also, your $139M payroll is what the current guys you have add up to. That doesn't include guys you may have traded away midseason that you paid for part of the year. That is also part of the $8M difference. Staff you cut and owed money to also counts in there.

kq76 · 11-10-2009, 09:44 PM

Give us a link to the online league reports and we could maybe tell you exactly where you went wrong.

TribeFanInNC · 11-10-2009, 09:54 PM

Upon further inspection, it seems the difference is rooted in the staff. The staff payroll is only $10M but the staff expenses is $18M. There are a couple possible explanations:

a) a bunch of your minor league (and maybe major league) coaches have left your team to explore other opportunities. In this case, the $10M is not a true figure because your staff has several open spots.
b) you ditched a coach that had some $$$ owed to him and it counted against this year.
c) There was a bug in previous versions where the team got charged for the remainder of a retired coach's salary (could be several years). It could still be around. I think I saw this in v8.

kq's idea of a link is a good one.

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 10:28 PM

I'm not sure if this is ALL transactions, but here goes:

Major Transactions

jmolony3 · 11-10-2009, 10:37 PM

You also may want to raise ticket prices. If you are selling out every game then you are not maximizing your revenue. High attendance is great but you need to max your income.

kq76 · 11-10-2009, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Upon further inspection, it seems the difference is rooted in the staff. The staff payroll is only $10M but the staff expenses is $18M. There are a couple possible explanations:

I think you're right. For one, he only had 2 releases all season and neither had big contracts. And 2, last year his staff expenses were 7.6M, this year 18.3M. Is there a way to see what happened with the staff?

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 11:23 PM

Haven't made a single staff move. Here is my MLB staff. Let me take a look at the minor league staff real quick.

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 11:24 PM

My AA team is missing their hitting and pitching coaches.

Same with a Short Season A team and a Rookie ball club.

My other rookie ball club has ZERO coaches.

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 11:25 PM

Make that another rookie club, this one international, without a single coach.

How can I check to see if these guys are still counting against my payroll?

TribeFanInNC · 11-10-2009, 11:40 PM

You can add all the current coach salaries and see if you get the $10M number. I assume you will.

So my a) theory is at least somewhat true. I don't think a handful of minor league coaches added up to the $8M difference. But it could be $1M.

Is this the first year of this league (i.e. did it start with the 2009 quickstart)?

Mike Lowe · 11-10-2009, 11:55 PM

Yes, we started in 2009 and are just about finished with the first season.

11-10-2009, 08:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	Why is my team broke (2 images) Online league, Cubs are down 0-2 in the NLCS. Anyway, I keep having a hell of a time REALLY understanding the finances in this game. I mean, it seems like it makes sense but how does this add up? If my budget is $132M and I'm over that to around $149M including coaches, why am I in debt over $25M? Especially since my starting balance was $10M in the black. Not sure, but it sucks for being a sold out every game type of team to not be able to resign a SINGLE player and it looks like I wont be able to sign any FA's either. __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 09:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	This is pretty much the default Cubs I was given at the start of the league. I may have cut a few guys making $400-$600k, but not that much that it would add up to $8M. Is the luxury tax kicking in here? __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 09:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 7,527 Thanked 303x in 166 posts	Give us a link to the online league reports and we could maybe tell you exactly where you went wrong. __________________ Useful Links: Manuals \| Downloads \| Newsletters \| Knowledge Base \| New Tech Support \| Updated Forum Rules Interactive Online League Directory - find or advertise a league today! Canadian Baseball League - uses OOTP11, running steadily since April 2002

11-10-2009, 09:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Thanked 253x in 204 posts	Upon further inspection, it seems the difference is rooted in the staff. The staff payroll is only $10M but the staff expenses is $18M. There are a couple possible explanations: a) a bunch of your minor league (and maybe major league) coaches have left your team to explore other opportunities. In this case, the $10M is not a true figure because your staff has several open spots. b) you ditched a coach that had some $$$ owed to him and it counted against this year. c) There was a bug in previous versions where the team got charged for the remainder of a retired coach's salary (could be several years). It could still be around. I think I saw this in v8. kq's idea of a link is a good one. __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

11-10-2009, 10:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	I'm not sure if this is ALL transactions, but here goes: Major Transactions __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 09:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
jduteau Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 60 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Well, you started with $10M. Your expenses are $158M and your revenue is $135M. So you spent $23M more than you took in. So you have, at the end of the season, -$13M. So you have no money for free agents. That seems simple to me. Your problem is that you vastly overestimated the amount of revenue you were going to get - your salaries are just too high. Sorry.

11-10-2009, 09:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Flying Dutchmen Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 213 Thanked 23x in 23 posts	I'd guess you released someone during the year who made around $7-8M and that's where the other part of your expenses is coming from. That doesn't show up under player payroll or staff payroll after it's done but does go into your expenses to date.

11-10-2009, 10:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
jmolony3 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 24 Thanked 9x in 3 posts	You also may want to raise ticket prices. If you are selling out every game then you are not maximizing your revenue. High attendance is great but you need to max your income.

11-10-2009, 11:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	Haven't made a single staff move. Here is my MLB staff. Let me take a look at the minor league staff real quick. __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 11:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	My AA team is missing their hitting and pitching coaches. Same with a Short Season A team and a Rookie ball club. My other rookie ball club has ZERO coaches. __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 11:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	Make that another rookie club, this one international, without a single coach. How can I check to see if these guys are still counting against my payroll? __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

11-10-2009, 11:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Thanked 253x in 204 posts	You can add all the current coach salaries and see if you get the $10M number. I assume you will. So my a) theory is at least somewhat true. I don't think a handful of minor league coaches added up to the $8M difference. But it could be $1M. Is this the first year of this league (i.e. did it start with the 2009 quickstart)? __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

11-10-2009, 11:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,108 Thanked 15x in 6 posts	Yes, we started in 2009 and are just about finished with the first season. __________________ I write ambient/electronic music for personal and commercial use. Check out my work here. Thanks for listening!

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