Aging and development modifiers?

SkyDog · 11-19-2009, 03:44 PM

I did a search and don't see much that looks definitive. I have been a bit out of touch this year. Is there a consensus on aging and development modifiers yet, or do things work well at 1.000 across the board? (Running a 100-year sim right now with the intention to start getting into OOTPX soon.)

spleen1015 · 11-19-2009, 03:51 PM

As far as I know, no one has done them like you have in the past.

Malleus Dei · 11-19-2009, 05:20 PM

I'm using .4 for aging.

Afino · 11-19-2009, 08:06 PM

I dialed down aging myself - not as far as MD, but I think I'm running at .6 in my league.

All indications are that the defaults ARE working.

RandyTiger · 11-19-2009, 08:25 PM

Malleus, Afino, I'm curious. Are you keeping development at the default while running lowered aging numbers?

ike121212 · 11-19-2009, 09:11 PM

If you use feeders and set injuries to normal, then you have to set things way down. I use .400 aging and .750 dev. I also lower the offensive league totals modifiers a lot to get reasonable results.

SkyDog · 11-19-2009, 09:48 PM

Definitely no intention to use feeders here.

Afino · 11-19-2009, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyTiger

Malleus, Afino, I'm curious. Are you keeping development at the default while running lowered aging numbers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ike121212

If you use feeders and set injuries to normal, then you have to set things way down. I use .400 aging and .750 dev. I also lower the offensive league totals modifiers a lot to get reasonable results.

Nope. Development is at .750 for me for the above reason - feeders.

Malleus Dei · 11-20-2009, 12:52 AM

I don't use feeders so I have development set at 1.0 and aging at .4 and that's working out fine so far.

ryanivr · 11-20-2009, 02:57 AM

Hey Ben, Jets from FOFC here...

This is what I've been using with results I'm extremely happy with.

Batter Aging: .650
Batter Dev: 1.100

Pitcher Aging: .650
Pitcher Dev: 1.00

Malleus Dei · 11-20-2009, 10:39 AM

Jets, what kind of aging patterns are you getting with .650?

SkyDog · 11-20-2009, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015

As far as I know, no one has done them like you have in the past.

To be clear, I'm not RonCo when it comes to these. My "specialty" is getting stats to come out the way I like them. The work I've done in the past on aging and development is much more high-level: the goal simply being to get the average age in the majors in the 28.5-29.0 range that it was the last time I checked. In the absence of anything definitive, that's what I'm shooting for again (along with the stats...)

ike121212 · 11-20-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Definitely no intention to use feeders here.

I've heard people are content with aging and dev at 1.0 with no feeders and injuries set to high.

Normal injuries force you to lower aging and dev a little.
Feeders require you to lower them a lot.

With 1.0 pcm's, you're going to want to lower offense a lot (no surprise there). I use:

2b: .822
3b: .920
HR: .928
BB: .940
HBP: .699
WP: .900

ryanivr · 11-20-2009, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Jets, what kind of aging patterns are you getting with .650?

MD,

I'll preface this by saying that I'm no expert. I haven't done any extensive studies or plotted any graphs to prove my settings...

I'm enjoying my settings because I seem to be getting a good mix of results. Players are peaking at the right ages, but some are also getting to the big show at 21-23 and doing fairly well.

At the same time, there are some guys who just aren't ready until they're a bit older. But I'm getting peaks at ages 26-31.

The actual aging process though, which is what you specifically asked about, is what is really making me love these settings.

Again, I'm getting a fantastic mix, especially for hitters. Here are two screenshots to show what I'm seeing.

This is my career hits leader, after playing from 1912-1962. Injuries are off, FYI. I have a good mix of guys who just keep on playing. But check out his VORP...peaks exactly at age 27.

Now, look at this guy...

Oh, Tom Van de Bosch. First two years were with the same team..they moved. He was then traded in a blockbuster deal.

In the 1940's, he won EIGHT triple crowns. This guy was the best hitter on the planet. I was coaching Detroit, and I watched him fall. At the age of 31, he became a shell of himself. Again, no injuries. By 34, he was riding the pine. I like to think he stuck around to enjoy the end of his 10-year deal.

Anyway, the main thing I'm seeing is guys getting to 35-37 and their skills starting to fall down gracefully.

ryanivr · 11-20-2009, 12:10 PM

Here's another guy who played from age 19-35.

ike121212 · 11-20-2009, 12:56 PM

The UBA is an interesting looking league. Is it available anywhere?

Malleus Dei · 11-20-2009, 02:52 PM

Thanks a lot, Jets, that was just what I wanted to know.

Nice league, btw.

ryanivr · 11-20-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ike121212

The UBA is an interesting looking league. Is it available anywhere?

It's not, but I've been considering taking the steps to make it available. How might I do that? I have a quick-start set up ready to go.

ike121212 · 11-20-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanivr

It's not, but I've been considering taking the steps to make it available. How might I do that? I have a quick-start set up ready to go.

Padrefan is usually happy to host.

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rutri01 · 11-20-2009, 07:33 PM

my league is using the following- with feeders

.800 aging
1.000 development

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RandyTiger All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 976 Thanked 246x in 174 posts	Malleus, Afino, I'm curious. Are you keeping development at the default while running lowered aging numbers?

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ike121212 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 754 Thanked 96x in 73 posts	If you use feeders and set injuries to normal, then you have to set things way down. I use .400 aging and .750 dev. I also lower the offensive league totals modifiers a lot to get reasonable results.

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ryanivr All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 704 Thanked 36x in 26 posts	Hey Ben, Jets from FOFC here... This is what I've been using with results I'm extremely happy with. Batter Aging: .650 Batter Dev: 1.100 Pitcher Aging: .650 Pitcher Dev: 1.00

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ryanivr All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 704 Thanked 36x in 26 posts	Here's another guy who played from age 19-35.

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ike121212 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 754 Thanked 96x in 73 posts	The UBA is an interesting looking league. Is it available anywhere?