Rotation Modes

[kq76]

How are the various rotation modes working for you? Once my #1 SP ended up starting 3 of our first 4 games and I figured out what "Strict, occasionally..." meant, I switched to it from "... highest rested". I can't remember what exactly it was, but I didn't like it very much either so I switched from it to "strict order". Now I find out that for some reason "strict order" isn't even strict. Are you guys unhappy with how OOTP is starting your pitchers too? I admit I don't normally pay too much attention to who starts, but my pitching isn't very good this year and I'm getting quite frustrated that I can't easily control who starts. Yes, I guess I have to switch to using 7-game lineups, but I wish I didn't have to. I'd rather not have to micromanage it that much.

[Cryomaniac]

I personally choose the SP manually for each game. It amounts to highest rested but I try to get my #1 starter 40 starts a year.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by kq76

Now I find out that for some reason "strict order" isn't even strict.

I'd be interested in knowing why you think this is the case. I have never seen it operate in any other way unless: 1) the AI has a created a spot starter to come in at a preset percentage of time; or 2) a scheduled SP is still too tired, for some reason, to start. Have you seen something else?

Your OP doesn't say exactly what you would like the AI to be doing differently with your pitching staff.

[fhomess]

It's worth double checking that your 7-day lineups aren't messing with your rotation settings.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by SteveP

I'd be interested in knowing why you think this is the case. I have never seen it operate in any other way unless: 1) the AI has a created a spot starter to come in at a preset percentage of time; or 2) a scheduled SP is still too tired, for some reason, to start. Have you seen something else?

Your OP doesn't say exactly what you would like the AI to be doing differently with your pitching staff.

Well, you can see for yourself if you like. The next sim isn't for a couple days I think so it should remain up there for a little while at least. As of this post the league date is 06-21-2032.

Schedule:
Winnipeg Warriors Schedule June 2032

The last week's starters (no off days):
Garrard
Byers
Bennett
Granger
Byers
Bennett
Sipp

Staff:
Home Page

The rotation order:
Byers
Bennett
Garrard
Davis
Sipp

So Davis never played while Byers and Bennett started on 2 days' rest each. A spot starter even got a start in. I thought maybe some of the starters ended up pitching in relief, but nope. All but 1 of my 7 relievers are tired as nobody is going long even though I have my settings set for starters to stay in a tad longer and relievers to get pulled only a tad faster.

Yes, the team is pretty good overall (our offense is awesome) so some might say I shouldn't be complaining, but whether we're good or bad isn't the issue for me. I'm just frustrated that I can't rely on the rotation mode to do what I think it should do.

To me, strict order should mean that it starts your rotation in the exact order you set it. Okay, maybe it will throw in a spot starter or something here or there, but otherwise it should follow the rotation order pretty closely. I wouldn't even mind if it got a little creative either. "Strict, occasionally highest rested" is my ideal in theory, but for those who do want strict, I think it should be pretty strict.

Originally Posted by fhomess

It's worth double checking that your 7-day lineups aren't messing with your rotation settings.

7-day lineups were empty. I've filled it in for the next sim though.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by fhomess

It's worth double checking that your 7-day lineups aren't messing with your rotation settings.

Yes this screws up everything if you forget to reset the 7 day lineups.

[kq76]

Hey, wait a sec. Say your 7-day lineups are empty, but you have the 7-day settings set to "Yes". Is it then not going to use the set rotation mode? Oh man, if that's the case, what a fool I am. I thought for sure that if they were empty then the game would default to the other screens.

EDIT: No wonder I thought it was a problem with OOTPX. We only just switched to it this season, but last season sometime during the playoffs I switched to using 7-day lineups for the rest of the postseason.

[RchW]

There are differences in how rotations work in online leagues vs solo leagues. Even with strict order set the AI mucks around with starters in my online leagues all the time. In solo leagues it is much better but when using 7 day lineups and simming it can be thrown off by injuries that kick you out of simming. When that happens the game does not finish the day. If you forget to finish the day and then reset the 7 day lineup it can result in a starter pitching 2 days in a row.

I can find no setting (highest rested, strict etc.) that works properly in online leagues, whether using 7 day lineups or not. Frankly I'm surprised that it is not a bigger issue. It's hard to believe that only a few people have noticed it. It takes the enjoyment out of online play in a big way for me.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by kq76

Hey, wait a sec. Say your 7-day lineups are empty, but you have the 7-day settings set to "Yes". Is it then not going to use the set rotation mode? Oh man, if that's the case, what a fool I am. I thought for sure that if they were empty then the game would default to the other screens.

EDIT: No wonder I thought it was a problem with OOTPX. We only just switched to it this season, but last season sometime during the playoffs I switched to using 7-day lineups for the rest of the postseason.

Good question. I don't know the answer. All I know is if you have a pitcher in the box for a game and 7 day lineup set to yes he will start no matter what your rotation says or whether he is tired. If he is injured I don't know.

I question the programming decision here. It seems odd to have essentially the batting lineup screen (ie 7 day lineups) controlling the pitching. To me the rotation as set on the pitching screen should override anything.

One tip is to set the 7 day lineups and manually remove the pitchers, that will default to the pitching screen. I keep on forgetting to do this and it is cumbersome. It shouldn't be so difficult to set this up so the human player can have confidence their settings will be used.

[TribeFanInNC]

I've never had any problems using 'strict order' in either a solo or online setting. I admit though that I always use strict order or 7-day lineups to set my starters. I've rarely used the only when rested option and have never used the newest option.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I've never had any problems using 'strict order' in either a solo or online setting. I admit though that I always use strict order or 7-day lineups to set my starters. I've rarely used the only when rested option and have never used the newest option.

I only use strict order unless I have tired starters caused by AI misuse. Do you use 7 day lineups with OLL that sim 2 weeks at a time? I find that the batting order defaults to what the AI wants in the second week. Same with the rotation. Worst part is if you miss a sim you usually start tired pitchers for the third week.

In Dog Days Baseball we sim 7 days and my rotation (strict order) never gets used as expected. I have to re-jig the rotation almost every sim.

Is that something the commish can fix?

[TribeFanInNC]

Originally Posted by RchW

I only use strict order unless I have tired starters caused by AI misuse. Do you use 7 day lineups with OLL that sim 2 weeks at a time? I find that the batting order defaults to what the AI wants in the second week. Same with the rotation. Worst part is if you miss a sim you usually start tired pitchers for the third week.

No, I don't use 7-day lineups if the sim is longer than seven days. Too much can happen in that second week. I certainly wouldn't set my pitching matchups that way.

Originally Posted by RchW

In Dog Days Baseball we sim 7 days and my rotation (strict order) never gets used as expected. I have to re-jig the rotation almost every sim.

Is that something the commish can fix?

Just thinking out loud...

Is 7-day lineups off? I assume so.
Are the pitchers listed in order of their tiredness? If you are using strict order, but the guys aren't rested, the AI will find someone else.
Are your guys getting hurt? The AI will obviously not use injured players. I think it even skips day-to-day injuries.
Spot starter? If you have a spot starter percentage listed, the AI will use that too...not always well either. I personally don't use spot starters.

Not sure if that helps any. Probably not

P.S. I was in DDB for 8 seasons. Fun times. I miss Beorn and the guys.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

No, I don't use 7-day lineups if the sim is longer than seven days. Too much can happen in that second week. I certainly wouldn't set my pitching matchups that way.



Just thinking out loud...

Is 7-day lineups off? I assume so.
Are the pitchers listed in order of their tiredness? If you are using strict order, but the guys aren't rested, the AI will find someone else.
Are your guys getting hurt? The AI will obviously not use injured players. I think it even skips day-to-day injuries.
Spot starter? If you have a spot starter percentage listed, the AI will use that too...not always well either. I personally don't use spot starters.

Not sure if that helps any. Probably not

P.S. I was in DDB for 8 seasons. Fun times. I miss Beorn and the guys.

No it's on. Being a 7 day sim this is the one time you can use it. You indicated that in your first comment

I'm not sure what tiredness should have to do with strict order. If as you say the AI would find someone else then you just confirmed my complaint that the "strict order" setting is bogus. I can assure you that I do adjust for tiredness (because the AI screws it up) but by definition the AI should not substitute when strict order is chosen.

I understand injuries can affect this. These problems occur even when no injuries happen.

Spot starters never get used on strict order. I never use them anyway.

[jmknpk2]

In previous versions, I never had any trouble with strict order, which is what I usually choose.

In this version, with the new stamina rating, I noticed that pitchers going more than five innings or over 100 pitches were still tired sometimes after five days. I don't think that happened in older versions.

Anyway, I can't remember if the AI subbed my pitchers or I did when I noticed they were tired, but I don't want a starter going in with anything less than 100%.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by jmknpk2

In this version, with the new stamina rating, I noticed that pitchers going more than five innings or over 100 pitches were still tired sometimes after five days. I don't think that happened in older versions.

If you have coaches turned on, then you should check to see if your SPs are taking longer to recover to 100% than is typically true in the league as a whole. If so, I have seen this happen, and by process-of-elimination concluded it was related to trainer ratings.

Other than that, it is not uncommon for pitchers to never get back to 100% unless and until there is a break in the schedule. This was true in OOTP9 and it is still true in OOTP10. In my historical league, I tweak SP stamina up a bit in order to get more realistic frequency of complete games. However, that is the only reason/circumstance in which I would do that. SPs can generally do their job in OOTP at ≈85% or better rest.

[TGH-Adfabre]

I never use 7-day lineups. I don't trust them.
I use 5-man rotation with "Strict order" in the regular and post season. Spot starter set to 0%. My spot starter is usually my mop up reliever.
No problems. Online league, 7 day sims. My starters go in the order they should and usually are 2-4 pitches below the count I set in their strategy. I always select "Override Team Strategy", set my hook quickness (which does for me what I want, and set a pitch count. On a 1-100 scale I get 100+ pitches out of a 60-70 stamina without the pitcher being crushed.
I have had sucess with 25-35 stamina pitchers setting 100 counts but a quicker hook. I would usually get 5-6 innings. They usually did not have many QS because they couldn't make it through the 6th.
I think there are about 10 variables to check from strategy settings, stamina, pitch counts, spot starter %, 7-day lineups, and league settings.

Use of Relievers- Very Often
Use of Closers- Very Often
Pitcher Endurance- Low
Typical Rotation Size- 5 Man Rotation

These are our league settings.
I have a guess sysytem for pitch counts. I have no confidence in the AI making pitching decisions that I am not some what involved in.

[kehowey]

I play a solo fictional league in OOTP11. I use "start highest rested" with no spot starter. It's working for me. The AI considers a pitcher ready when he is rested at least 95%.