Cy Young/MVP Award Voting Help

[2004RedSox]

I love voting for awards manually, but I'm torn on who actually deserves the MVP and the Cy Young Award this year.

CY YOUNG CONTENDERS (3)

Pitcher A: 24-4, 3.35 ERA, 144 SOs, 62 BBs, 226 IP WHIP of 1.08

Pitcher B: 20-6, 3.40 ERA, 194 SOs, 54 BBs, 222.1 IP WHIP of 1.05

Pitcher C: 17-5, 2.95 ERA, 109 SOs, 87 BBs, 216.1 IP WHIP of 1.24

I was thinking of giving it to Pitcher C because, to me, he was dominant more down the stretch than the other guys. I'm talking about posting a sub 2 ERA for most of the second half. Though, he didn't start until he was traded to the Nationals at the deadline.

MVP CONTENDERS

BATTER A: .328/.449/.470/.918 9 HRs, 128 RBIs

BATTER B: .319/.465/.498/.962 21 HRs, 137 RBIs

BATTER C: .310/.453/.392/.845 6 HRs, 103 RBIs.

Batter C looks like he was severely outplayed on paper, yes. However, he
had 69 stolen bases, caught twice, and was knocked in over 150 times, which gets him mentioned because he had the best season for a leadoff hitter in my league's history. Thoughts?

[Sparrow]

Pitcher B. Most K's fewest BB's.

Hitter C. 103 RBI's plus 150 runs scored, from the leadoff spot. He had to take that team to the playoffs.

[Jeffy25]

Certainly not Pitcher C.

Pitcher's A or B
Hitter's B or C

[Eugene Church]

How many runs did Batter A and B score? I would need them to really compare them with Batter C.

Batter C certainly had a great year. It is remarkable for a lead-off man to drive in 103 runs.

I would give the Cy Young to Pitcher A with the 24-4 record. He won 7 more games than Pitcher C.

[Jeffy25]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

How many runs did Batter A and B score? I would need them to really compare them with Batter C.

Batter C certainly had a great year. It is remarkable for a lead-off man to drive in 103 runs.

I would give the Cy Young to Pitcher A with the 24-4 record. He won 7 more games than Pitcher C.

Agree, OPS and defensive positions also matter, but we weren't really given that information

[Eugene Church]

Defensive stats would be good to have, too.

If all other things were equal, I might give it to the best defender.

[Waninski]

Definitely Pitcher A. I would actually prefer some info on how each MVP candidate's team did that season before making a vote on that, since I personally consider that a hugely important factor. Don't know if that matters to you, though.

[Jestor]

Pitcher A. That 24 wins is impressive and he has the fewest losses, plus he's at the midpoint of all the other categories.

I'd like to see the SB and runs total for all 3 MVP candidates, plus how each player's team did in the regular season.

[snepp]

What is the VORP and OPS allowed for the pitchers?

What is the VORP for the hitters? What defensive positions did they play and at what level of quality?

[cbbl]

Pitcher B. Nearly the same # of innings as Pitcher A, but 50 more Ks. Pitchers aren't always in control of their W-L records. Perhaps Pitcher B only got 20 wins because he lost 4 1-0 games. Blame the offense for that.

If you're having trouble deciding between A and B, that's what I'd look at next ... how many no-decisions or losses did the pitcher get because of lack of run support, fielding errrors, etc.

Not Pitcher C. Being en fuego down the stretch is great, but to win the Cy Young you've got to be great all season long.

Batters -- I'm with the others. I need more information- RS, Defensive stats, etc. From this list, though, I'd lean towards B.

[koohead]

I'd definitely go with Pitcher B...lowest WHIP, significantly more K's and only 4 more innings than Pitcher A.

I'm leaning towards B or C. I like C's overall impact with the SB's and Runs, but how does he compare with the rest of league?

[2004RedSox]

Originally Posted by 2004RedSox

I love voting for awards manually, but I'm torn on who actually deserves the MVP and the Cy Young Award this year.

CY YOUNG CONTENDERS (3)

Pitcher A: 24-4, 3.35 ERA, 144 SOs, 62 BBs, 226 IP WHIP of 1.08

Pitcher B: 20-6, 3.40 ERA, 194 SOs, 54 BBs, 222.1 IP WHIP of 1.05

Pitcher C: 17-5, 2.95 ERA, 109 SOs, 87 BBs, 216.1 IP WHIP of 1.24

I was thinking of giving it to Pitcher C because, to me, he was dominant more down the stretch than the other guys. I'm talking about posting a sub 2 ERA for most of the second half. Though, he didn't start until he was traded to the Nationals at the deadline.

MVP CONTENDERS

BATTER A: .328/.449/.470/.918 9 HRs, 128 RBIs

BATTER B: .319/.465/.498/.962 21 HRs, 137 RBIs

BATTER C: .310/.453/.392/.845 6 HRs, 103 RBIs.

Batter C looks like he was severely outplayed on paper, yes. However, he
had 69 stolen bases, caught twice, and was knocked in over 150 times, which gets him mentioned because he had the best season for a leadoff hitter in my league's history. Thoughts?

BATTER A had 24 stolen bases and was caught stealing four times. He was knocked in 139 times batting in the middle of the order for the Yankees (90-73). As far as fielding goes, he had an abnormal year. He had 11 errors over 1500 innings, 283 putouts, and 154 double plays in over 650 attempts. He plays second base.

BATTER B didn't steal any bases. He was caught once, however. Regardless, the outstanding catcher was knocked in 128 times, batting fourth. As far as defense goes, he was perfect through 1465.2 innings; lead MLB catchers in terms of double plays with four, and had the highest RC% in the American League. He threw out approximately 30% of base-runners. He was on the lowly, play-off bound Athletics who went 78-85 on the season. And yes, he was the only good player on the team...

BATTER C batted leadoff for the Minnesota Twins, while patrolling center field and (almost) their entire outfield. This kid played in only 155 games (everyone else was 160 or more) for 1400 innings (give or take .1). He did not commit one error and had a range factor of 4.23. Also, he combined with other plays to have a total of fifteen double plays. His range factor is only overshadowed by BATTER B's which was 6.72 as a catcher, while BATTER A, another good fielder, had a range factor of 3.28.

Hopefully this information will help you make a decision... onto pitching now, too! By the way, their VORPs are as follows (in-order from A to C): 79.0,
84.6, and 82.3.

PITCHER A allowed a .642 OPS against him and had a 45.6 VORP. He had 20 quality starts out of 32 games started.

PITCHER B allowed .662 OPS against him and had a 42.0 VORP. However, he had three more quality starts in the same amount of games started.

PITCHER C allowed a .658 OPS against him and had a 53.2 VORP. He did, though, have twenty-two quality starts in 28 starts.

I would calculate dERA, but I don't have the time, sorry

[snepp]

For MVP I would definitely go with the catcher, easily #1 imho. They all played important defensive positions but those numbers from a backstop are ridiculous.

I'd go with Pitcher B for the Cy, he put up fantastic numbers without being nearly as dependant on the defense behind him. I'd have A as a very close #2. Pitcher C looks like a case of smoke-and-mirrors.

[Eugene Church]

Pitcher A would still be my choice because of the 24 wins. Although someone made a good point earlier that number of wins can be misleading.

Batter B in a close race with Batter A. They were pretty even in stats except for homers. Batter B was excellent on defense. I really couldn't tell about Batter A's defense. His total assists and fielding percentage would have helped tell me how good he was.

[floorman81]

Pitcher A and Batter B

[Ktulu]

B and B

[ShaneCarson]

Double B.

[Ktulu]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Pitcher A would still be my choice because of the 24 wins. Although someone made a good point earlier that number of wins can be misleading.

Another way to look at is all things being equal(age, salary etc.) would you trade your player X for Pitcher A because of the wins, or for Pitcher B because he K'd 30% more batters and walked 15% fewer?

[PhillieFever]

My choices would be pitcher A and Batter B