How do I get correct Market Size in New Custom Game

DanDiaz · 12-17-2009, 05:55 PM

Hi,

I think I am having problems with the MLB database.

So I am starting a New Custon Game:
I click Create Standard League
I click Major American League

I must have missed the setting, buacuse no matter what I do the market sizes are about all out of wack, TB is bigger than NY.

How do create a Custon MAL with correct market sizes, I am hopeing this will fix my problems.

Thanks,

Spritze · 12-17-2009, 06:59 PM

Market size whackism is just part of the game, nothing you can do about it but edit, edit and edit again. They'll change yearly and re-whack so you've gotta be persistant.

DanDiaz · 12-17-2009, 07:20 PM

Thanks, but when I start a new MLB game they are ok, its just when I dont' use the MLB palyers database by chosing new custom league.

Is there a way to start a custom MLB game with ramdon players with the proper financials?

Spritze · 12-17-2009, 07:47 PM

They are only OK because they were pre-edited for you.
They also will whack-out over time.

SteveP · 12-17-2009, 07:49 PM

There is a simple reason why market sizes aren't like they are IRL. During initial game creation, the game backs into market size for a team by calculating from the salary load of the team, which is turn is calculated on the basis of the relative abilities of the players. IRL, a team may be chock full of great players who are underpaid. That can't happen in OOTP during game creation.

You can adjust market sizes for teams but, as Spritze says, you have to do it manually. My recommendation is that you do not make radical changes all at one time -- the AI can react to this is undesirable ways. No more than two levels at a time (preferably no more than one level if heading downward). So it might take 2-3 seasons for you to get something more to your liking. However, you don't have to keep doing it once you get there. I'm not aware of anything that would throw them out-of-whack.

Spritze · 12-17-2009, 08:04 PM

I have found that over time all teams market sizes become "huge" sooner or later. Markus has said this is intended. Most likely due to salary load as StevePoints out.

SteveP · 12-18-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

I have found that over time all teams market sizes become "huge" sooner or later.

Is that true? You're saying that market size rating goes up over time? I didn't realize that. I always assumed it was just a way to creating relativity among teams, and that the only things which changed (in keeping with salaries) were ticket prices, media and merchandise. Why would there be, or need to be, inflation in market size ratings?

Spritze · 12-19-2009, 11:30 AM

Don't know the why but the game is built that way on purpose.

Malleus Dei · 12-19-2009, 12:20 PM

If you play with financials off this is a non-issue.

Spritze · 12-19-2009, 02:11 PM

I simply turn everything off, including the computer, which pretty much makes everything a non-issue.

Malleus Dei · 12-20-2009, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

I simply turn everything off, including the computer, which pretty much makes everything a non-issue.

Wow. Amazingly funny. Well, not really.

A number of us predate baseball free agency. Per past discussions, a number of that number feel that free agency ruined the game and that the best way to play baseball, real or simulated, is with financials off. Since there's no obligation on anyone's part to play with finances on, suggesting that they be turned off, especilly given that they don't work all that well, is a reasonable and valid suggestion.

I never, ever play OOTP with finances on. In fact I would never consider it.

Spritze · 12-20-2009, 12:51 PM

I wuz reacting to all you "off"ers. Perusing the board this is what I see...

Scouts Off
Ratings Off
Finances Off
Minor Leagues Off
Development Off
Free Agency Off
Injuries Off
Ghost Players Off
All the offs I missed Off

Either these are hints as to what needs work in future versions or the game just works better with most things off? What's up with that?

robc · 12-20-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

I wuz reacting to all you "off"ers. Perusing the board this is what I see...

Scouts Off
Ratings Off
Finances Off
Minor Leagues Off
Development Off
Free Agency Off
Injuries Off
Ghost Players Off
All the offs I missed Off

Either these are hints as to what needs work in future versions or the game just works better with most things off? What's up with that?

It probably depends on why people are turning the features off. In this case Malleus is stating he preferred the era before free agency, and turning finances off helps him get closer to it.

But I think your general statement is correct. Many of these things get turned off because they don't feel realistic or fun. Finances definitely need some work for those who use it. It gets tiresome when teams can't stay in the black and have money so they can participate in trades.

Killing Time · 12-21-2009, 01:41 AM

I turn off scouts because I think the scouting part of the game fails.

Malleus Dei · 12-21-2009, 09:35 AM

Scouts Off
Ratings Off (stats only is the way to play)
Finances Off
Minor Leagues On
Development On
Free Agency Off
Injuries Low
Ghost Players On

OOTP says "It's your game, play it your way." And I do.

SoCal Doug · 01-11-2010, 12:55 AM

I was very perplexed too with Market Size because I swear that way back when I had an older version of the game that you chose cities and a lot of settings started out based on the actual city data.

As usual, this thread was the very last one I looked at and found the same type of question posed.

To restate what appears to be how OOTP 10 works:

Market size and most everything else is NOT based on cities, they are somewhat random and determined by a formula based upon your initial draft, etc.

This then begs the question: Is it better to jack up your team with a high team salary to start in a bigger market?

The 2nd point I recall from a previous version was an option to 'set things on an even basis' in at least some areas. It seems there is nothing like this available except by editing (or turning financials off). [added comment - ah ha! Guess I didn't look hard enough since I was just tinkering with major leagues and not setting financial numbers - but the big option is still there, to have all teams with the same media contract... and add to this revenue sharing and that helps to equalize things]

12-17-2009, 05:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
DanDiaz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 147 Thanks: 8 Thanked 24x in 14 posts	How do I get correct Market Size in New Custom Game Hi, I think I am having problems with the MLB database. So I am starting a New Custon Game: I click Create Standard League I click Major American League I must have missed the setting, buacuse no matter what I do the market sizes are about all out of wack, TB is bigger than NY. How do create a Custon MAL with correct market sizes, I am hopeing this will fix my problems. Thanks, Last edited by DanDiaz; 12-17-2009 at 06:02 PM.

12-17-2009, 07:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
DanDiaz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 147 Thanks: 8 Thanked 24x in 14 posts	But when I start a new MLB game they are correct and constant Thanks, but when I start a new MLB game they are ok, its just when I dont' use the MLB palyers database by chosing new custom league. Is there a way to start a custom MLB game with ramdon players with the proper financials?

01-11-2010, 12:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
SoCal Doug Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 42 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Ah, Market size is random I was very perplexed too with Market Size because I swear that way back when I had an older version of the game that you chose cities and a lot of settings started out based on the actual city data. As usual, this thread was the very last one I looked at and found the same type of question posed. To restate what appears to be how OOTP 10 works: Market size and most everything else is NOT based on cities, they are somewhat random and determined by a formula based upon your initial draft, etc. This then begs the question: Is it better to jack up your team with a high team salary to start in a bigger market? The 2nd point I recall from a previous version was an option to 'set things on an even basis' in at least some areas. It seems there is nothing like this available except by editing (or turning financials off). [added comment - ah ha! Guess I didn't look hard enough since I was just tinkering with major leagues and not setting financial numbers - but the big option is still there, to have all teams with the same media contract... and add to this revenue sharing and that helps to equalize things] Last edited by SoCal Doug; 01-13-2010 at 12:01 AM. Reason: found updated info on one point I had raised.

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12-17-2009, 06:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	Market size whackism is just part of the game, nothing you can do about it but edit, edit and edit again. They'll change yearly and re-whack so you've gotta be persistant.

12-17-2009, 07:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	They are only OK because they were pre-edited for you. They also will whack-out over time.

12-17-2009, 07:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	There is a simple reason why market sizes aren't like they are IRL. During initial game creation, the game backs into market size for a team by calculating from the salary load of the team, which is turn is calculated on the basis of the relative abilities of the players. IRL, a team may be chock full of great players who are underpaid. That can't happen in OOTP during game creation. You can adjust market sizes for teams but, as Spritze says, you have to do it manually. My recommendation is that you do not make radical changes all at one time -- the AI can react to this is undesirable ways. No more than two levels at a time (preferably no more than one level if heading downward). So it might take 2-3 seasons for you to get something more to your liking. However, you don't have to keep doing it once you get there. I'm not aware of anything that would throw them out-of-whack.

12-17-2009, 08:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	I have found that over time all teams market sizes become "huge" sooner or later. Markus has said this is intended. Most likely due to salary load as StevePoints out.

12-19-2009, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	Don't know the why but the game is built that way on purpose.

12-19-2009, 02:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	I simply turn everything off, including the computer, which pretty much makes everything a non-issue.

12-20-2009, 12:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	I wuz reacting to all you "off"ers. Perusing the board this is what I see... Scouts Off Ratings Off Finances Off Minor Leagues Off Development Off Free Agency Off Injuries Off Ghost Players Off All the offs I missed Off Either these are hints as to what needs work in future versions or the game just works better with most things off? What's up with that?