Sometimes a little, tiny checkbox is VERY important.

DougWyatt · 01-02-2010, 01:46 AM

So yeah, as I look over my AAA team - I notice ... They are ALL hurt. Well most anyway. Really weird I thought. Then, as I look through the settings, I notice : "Dang, it's my fault".

Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players) .. not checked.

I only had 15 guys on the team, (just took it over and took out a bunch of "trash" while rebuilding.). And I'm sure once an injury here and there took place - it just snowballed.

Anyway, what does this mean for the AAA teams performance ?

Well, my pitcher trots out there - night after night; tossing 250+ pitches, etc. And .. well .. a picture says it best ..

Le Grande Orange · 01-02-2010, 03:58 AM

So you had nine players out with injuries then? (This assumes a 24-man Triple-A roster limit.)

Even without ghost players, any team within the game ought to recognize when it's short of necessary players and automatically sign warm bodies to fill out the roster or create temporary ghosts, as the case will be.

Even missing a check box as you did ought not to allow the kind of results you've shown. In fairness, of course, with as many options as this game allows it's not hard to see that certain combinations might get overlooked and not be properly addressed.

Killing Time · 01-02-2010, 10:30 AM

Yet another serious bug?

DCG12 · 01-02-2010, 11:01 AM

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Yet another serious bug?

How is this a bug? He admits it was his fault for overlooking a setting. Read the post again. He went to his AAA team and trimmed the deadwood so he only had 15 players on the roster but forgot to enable ghost players, so when a couple injuries hit he didn't have enough players. He ends up with the only starter he has pitching every day.

This does lend itself to the one minor complaint I have with setting up a league, that is everyone always says about their favorite addition to the game "make it an option". We end up with so many options it's easy to miss something during set up.

RchW · 01-02-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Even without ghost players, any team within the game ought to recognize when it's short of necessary players and automatically sign warm bodies to fill out the roster or create temporary ghosts, as the case will be.

Note he was controlling the team. It can't make any moves if that is the case.

CHCfan · 01-02-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Note he was controlling the team. It can't make any moves if that is the case.

well. . . it can though, if his manager options allow such a thing. Another case of "too many options" as DCG12 said

DougWyatt · 01-02-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

So you had nine players out with injuries then? (This assumes a 24-man Triple-A roster limit.)

No, I had 12 out with injuries (of the 15 on the team). Healthy - 2 OFs and a MR.

I am thinking about signing that MR to a hefty contract, just for enduring what I've asked of him - and of course, for his arm not falling off. 250+ pitch counts were the norm (he threw 524 in that 88 run game).

8 innings, 56 hits, 88 runs, 47 walks, 1 strikeout, 8 HR, 524 pitches, 228 strikes.

Oddly enough, the guy he K'd is leading the AAA in most hitting categories. He probably took some jazzing for that at bat, haha.

I'm sure there are a bunch of fun stuff that I could find if I look - but, from the last game (I wanted to see if we even fielded a full team) ..

~Injured players did in fact play. (Including a SP that played RF who is smack in the middle of a 6 month arm injury - actually 8 injuries, poor guy received 8 different 6 month injuries within 2 days.)
~The 'healthy' MR that started - and pitched all games this month, he also started at SS.

But yeah, this isn't a bug - was totally my bad, in my opinion, for not activating the ghost players. Although I will say, maybe there should be a warning or something - cuz it is an important little checkbox that could get overlooked.

RchW · 01-02-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CHCfan

well. . . it can though, if his manager options allow such a thing. Another case of "too many options" as DCG12 said

Then he would not be controlling the team. A quibble I know but important if we want to say that the AI should have done something.

Cooleyvol · 01-02-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Yet another serious bug?

Hardly, but nice try.

RchW · 01-02-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

~Injured players did in fact play. (Including a SP that played RF who is smack in the middle of a 6 month arm injury - actually 8 injuries, poor guy received 8 different 6 month injuries within 2 days.)
~The 'healthy' MR that started - and pitched all games this month, he also started at SS.

That's a bug IMO. In hundreds of leagues I've never seen a non day-to-day injured player play. Not saying it can't happen but....

Le Grande Orange · 01-02-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Note he was controlling the team. It can't make any moves if that is the case.

Ah, right, I misread the OP a little.

But even so, the game ought not to allow the user to do something which will 'break' the system. Either Doug should have gotten an onscreen warning that his Triple-A club did not have enough active players on the roster, or the game should have allowed the club to automatically field scrubs to round out the roster.

RchW · 01-02-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Ah, right, I misread the OP a little.

But even so, the game ought not to allow the user to do something which will 'break' the system. Either Doug should have gotten an onscreen warning that his Triple-A club did not have enough active players on the roster, or the game should have allowed the club to automatically field scrubs to round out the roster.

I think an error message and refusal to proceed is the right way. Any other solution would open up a can of worms about what the meaning of "human control" is. I for one don't want the AI to make any changes I don't approve.

It already does this for minor league teams that are over the roster limit. For "under" limit situations it is more complex, because you would want to have some sort of count such as available pitchers etc. I don't think we want action if the team is short one or two players for example.

damientheomen3 · 01-02-2010, 03:02 PM

hey man, you guys scored over 3 runs in most of those games! i had the same problem, as I posted in this thread Lmao

EDIT: He was one of 4 pitchers, so he didn't take the same workload your guy did

Le Grande Orange · 01-02-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

For "under" limit situations it is more complex, because you would want to have some sort of count such as available pitchers etc. I don't think we want action if the team is short one or two players for example.

Perhaps some sort of minimum number of key players (pitchers, catchers, outfielders, infielders) for a given roster size. Once the club drops below the minimum number of players in any of these player categories, an error message is dispatched.

The error message should be as specific as possible. It should mention the club affected, which major league club is its parent (if it's an affiliated minor league club), and the player category where the club is now below the threshold. A detailed error message would help the user quickly identify the problem.

EDIT: Something to consider with minimum numbers of player categories is that it will vary by the era of baseball being played. The minimum number of pitchers needed on a 25-man roster in 1929 is not the same as it would be in 2009 due to the difference in how players were used.

Tycobbler · 01-02-2010, 04:04 PM

Sorry if i missed it, but isn't their an allow incomplete minors option somewhere?

Afino · 01-02-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tycobbler

Sorry if i missed it, but isn't their an allow incomplete minors option somewhere?

The whole point of this thread is that the OP missed it as well

Tycobbler · 01-06-2010, 03:44 PM

lol ok... need sleep

Craig Scarborough · 01-06-2010, 07:56 PM

So um...in my league I have the ghost players thing checked, yet...here's my decapitated AAA team. Kind of ruining the immersion for me

robc · 01-06-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

So um...in my league I have the ghost players thing checked, yet...here's my decapitated AAA team. Kind of ruining the immersion for me

I like the name of your league.

I see your location is OOTP Dev. Does that mean you are testing this behavior, or are you just playing?

Jaxxvain · 01-06-2010, 08:23 PM

accidentally set the minor leagues injury rating to WTF? level?

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DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 4 posts	Sometimes a little, tiny checkbox is VERY important. So yeah, as I look over my AAA team - I notice ... They are ALL hurt. Well most anyway. Really weird I thought. Then, as I look through the settings, I notice : "Dang, it's my fault". Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players) .. not checked. I only had 15 guys on the team, (just took it over and took out a bunch of "trash" while rebuilding.). And I'm sure once an injury here and there took place - it just snowballed. Anyway, what does this mean for the AAA teams performance ? Well, my pitcher trots out there - night after night; tossing 250+ pitches, etc. And .. well .. a picture says it best .. __________________ May 9, 2007 was the best day of my life. Welcome to the world son !

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Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scheduleslovakia Posts: 10,233 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1,183x in 702 posts	So you had nine players out with injuries then? (This assumes a 24-man Triple-A roster limit.) Even without ghost players, any team within the game ought to recognize when it's short of necessary players and automatically sign warm bodies to fill out the roster or create temporary ghosts, as the case will be. Even missing a check box as you did ought not to allow the kind of results you've shown. In fairness, of course, with as many options as this game allows it's not hard to see that certain combinations might get overlooked and not be properly addressed. __________________ . "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our abilities and skills, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win." .

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Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,723 Thanks: 105 Thanked 39x in 27 posts	Sorry if i missed it, but isn't their an allow incomplete minors option somewhere?

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