Player statistics for draft

Mike Lowe · 01-30-2010, 08:21 AM

Are feeders leagues the only way to have players with stats, from HS or college, in the draft?

If so, has anyone found a good feeder league setup? I remember reading through a trillion threads but most mentioned how feeder leagues were troublesome.

Thanks!

Bluenoser · 01-30-2010, 01:59 PM

I remeber reading through a trillion threads where people had good experiences with feeder leagues.

Mike Lowe · 01-30-2010, 02:02 PM

Bruce, do you remember any threads that seemed to have the most success?

Tullius · 01-30-2010, 02:12 PM

I think some people had problems when they had too many teams in the feeder leagues so that many good player entered the draft and after some season allstar teams were on every major league roster.

I have tested the feeder league option (and read many threads) the last week and decided to use it.

Mike Lowe · 01-30-2010, 02:18 PM

Tulius, what are you using specifically?

Are you a MLB universe?

Tullius · 01-30-2010, 02:38 PM

I have a fictional setup

ML 12 teams

+ AAA, AA, A, SA, R

Feeder Leagues

College 16 teams
Highscholls 24 teams

Draft: 25 rounds, player for 26 rounds

(The magical number for feeder teams is 51 because 6 players - average - will leave every team but i want around 20 % foreign players).

The ratio between college - highschool is not in stone at the moment and perhaps i will add some highschool teams.

Bluenoser · 01-30-2010, 03:06 PM

The best thing to do is experiment with it a bit, but on Avg you'll get 5-6 players per feeder team entering the draft. So it's really just a matter of figuring out how many players you want in your draft pool.

Then you'll have to play with the modifiers a bit because you could potentially wind up with too many studs or, at the opposite end of the spectrum, too many duds.

Basically you have to try it a few different ways until you find a happy medium.

Tullius · 01-30-2010, 04:08 PM

I want also add that i set the injury frequency from October - March to "very low" because i do not want the injuries affect the stats (esp. indirectly. The feeder leagues have no FA pool and i want prevent that a pitcher ruins his stats because the half team is in hospital and so he has to mimic the iron man). My feeder leagues start in October and the "College World Series" is in January. So i have some baseball in the offseason and can watch the rookies much better. I will draft in March (at the moment 3/1).

Mike Lowe · 01-30-2010, 04:57 PM

How does this work along side international leagues? I have MLB on down to rookie plus all of the availabe default INTL leagues on down to Winter leagues.

I just did a 30 round draft and it seemed ok, perhaps a bit thin? No biggie though as I didn't think anything of the talent dispersal.

I did notice, strangely, that a decent number of the players in the draft were from Japan, Central America, etc. which I thought was strange. Is this normal?

So, I still don't get that info on the "magicial number" though.

Thanks for the feedback...definitely wanting to try this next draft.

Afino · 01-30-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tullius

I want also add that i set the injury frequency from October - March to "very low" because i do not want the injuries affect the stats (esp. indirectly. The feeder leagues have no FA pool and i want prevent that a pitcher ruins his stats because the half team is in hospital and so he has to mimic the iron man). My feeder leagues start in October and the "College World Series" is in January. So i have some baseball in the offseason and can watch the rookies much better. I will draft in March (at the moment 3/1).

How does running leagues over two calendar years work?

ike121212 · 01-30-2010, 06:31 PM

My biggest issue with feeders, once you get to the right number and HS vs Col ratio, is with pitchers. The AI will draft top closers high, but passes on top 2 pitch starters. I've had to make a house rule, to limit myself to 1 per year.

Also, with feeders, you really need to slow the development speed.

Cryomaniac · 01-30-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

How does running leagues over two calendar years work?

I always thought it didn't, and gave you a problem where they only played every other season.

Afino · 01-30-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I always thought it didn't, and gave you a problem where they only played every other season.

Well yeah - that's why I'm curious to see what this guy comes back with.

Tullius · 01-31-2010, 03:46 AM

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So, I still don't get that info on the "magicial number" though.

From the manual

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If you want your parent league's first-year player draft to be fed completely by feeder leagues, you will need to do some math to determine how many feeder league teams you will need to fill out your draft class completely. So, using the default of a 5-year age range, we calculate as follows:

Feeder leagues with 5-year age ranges (18-22, for example) typically feed 6-9 players per team to the parent league each year. Smaller age-ranges result in more players entering the draft each year.

[Number of teams in your parent league] x [Number of rounds in your first-year player draft] = total # of players needed in first-year player draft

[total # of players needed for draft] / 6 (rounded up) = minimum # of feeder league teams required

For example, let's say you have a 16-team major league, and a 5-round first-year player draft. You need 16 x 5, or 80 players in your first-year player draft each year. We divide 80 by 6 and round up, getting 14. If you have 14 feeder league teams, you should get enough players from your feeder leagues to populate your first-year player draft entirely with feeder league players.

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How does this work along side international leagues?

I do not use international leagues or socuting. All "foreigners" come with the draft in the league. When the game creates player to have enough rookies all these rookies are from outside the border (foreigners: 100 % in the league setting in contrast to 0% for feeder leagues).

Tullius · 01-31-2010, 03:52 AM

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How does running leagues over two calendar years work?

Why should it not work ?

In OOTP a new year starts on 2/1.

At first my college leagues started in April and the season was finished in June. This is the default setting. Later i started the season in October and the college league ended the regular season some days before christmas. Now the game created the playoff games for the first round. I manually deleted them (except when i simmed the leagues for some years in a row - it is only test universe) and created a new playoff schedule where the first game was on 1/3. I wanted a christmas break and some baseball in January.

01-30-2010, 08:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,198 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18x in 9 posts	Player statistics for draft Are feeders leagues the only way to have players with stats, from HS or college, in the draft? If so, has anyone found a good feeder league setup? I remember reading through a trillion threads but most mentioned how feeder leagues were troublesome. Thanks!

01-30-2010, 01:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 5,598 Thanks: 56 Thanked 442x in 307 posts	I remeber reading through a trillion threads where people had good experiences with feeder leagues. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

01-30-2010, 02:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tullius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 195 Thanks: 17 Thanked 18x in 15 posts	I have a fictional setup ML 12 teams + AAA, AA, A, SA, R Feeder Leagues College 16 teams Highscholls 24 teams Draft: 25 rounds, player for 26 rounds (The magical number for feeder teams is 51 because 6 players - average - will leave every team but i want around 20 % foreign players). The ratio between college - highschool is not in stone at the moment and perhaps i will add some highschool teams. Last edited by Tullius; 01-30-2010 at 04:09 PM.

01-30-2010, 03:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 5,598 Thanks: 56 Thanked 442x in 307 posts	The best thing to do is experiment with it a bit, but on Avg you'll get 5-6 players per feeder team entering the draft. So it's really just a matter of figuring out how many players you want in your draft pool. Then you'll have to play with the modifiers a bit because you could potentially wind up with too many studs or, at the opposite end of the spectrum, too many duds. Basically you have to try it a few different ways until you find a happy medium. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

01-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tullius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 195 Thanks: 17 Thanked 18x in 15 posts	I want also add that i set the injury frequency from October - March to "very low" because i do not want the injuries affect the stats (esp. indirectly. The feeder leagues have no FA pool and i want prevent that a pitcher ruins his stats because the half team is in hospital and so he has to mimic the iron man). My feeder leagues start in October and the "College World Series" is in January. So i have some baseball in the offseason and can watch the rookies much better. I will draft in March (at the moment 3/1). Last edited by Tullius; 01-30-2010 at 04:09 PM.

01-30-2010, 02:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,198 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18x in 9 posts	Bruce, do you remember any threads that seemed to have the most success?

01-30-2010, 02:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tullius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 195 Thanks: 17 Thanked 18x in 15 posts	I think some people had problems when they had too many teams in the feeder leagues so that many good player entered the draft and after some season allstar teams were on every major league roster. I have tested the feeder league option (and read many threads) the last week and decided to use it.

01-30-2010, 02:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,198 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18x in 9 posts	Tulius, what are you using specifically? Are you a MLB universe?

01-30-2010, 04:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mike Lowe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,198 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18x in 9 posts	How does this work along side international leagues? I have MLB on down to rookie plus all of the availabe default INTL leagues on down to Winter leagues. I just did a 30 round draft and it seemed ok, perhaps a bit thin? No biggie though as I didn't think anything of the talent dispersal. I did notice, strangely, that a decent number of the players in the draft were from Japan, Central America, etc. which I thought was strange. Is this normal? So, I still don't get that info on the "magicial number" though. Thanks for the feedback...definitely wanting to try this next draft.

01-30-2010, 06:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
ike121212 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 788 Thanks: 35 Thanked 109x in 79 posts	My biggest issue with feeders, once you get to the right number and HS vs Col ratio, is with pitchers. The AI will draft top closers high, but passes on top 2 pitch starters. I've had to make a house rule, to limit myself to 1 per year. Also, with feeders, you really need to slow the development speed.

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