Trading Player With Large Contract

davolson · 02-07-2010, 12:51 PM

I have this little Alfonso Soriano problem with my Cubs. He's completely worthless in the game, and I'm desperate to just get rid of him. He of course has this ridiculous $18 milion per year contract until 2014 (thank you, Jim Hendry).

I can just release him, but I'd rather get Carlos Silva or someone equally poor, at least. Every time I try to propose a trade, though, it's rejected by the other team based on their not being able to afford his contract. This is even if I agree to pay his salary through 2014 (by offering that amount, or even more, as cash in the deal).

It doesn't seem like the cash part of trades is working, when doing AI trades with other teams. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in proposing trades. I can pick some completely marginal player on another team, offer Soriano plus $100 million in cash, and I keep getting rejected. I'm playing as Commish, by the way, if that makes a difference. "Make This Work" doesn't help, either. I could just force the trade which I might do, figuring I could get something for this bum.

Of course if I were another team's GM I wouldn't want Soriano even if he was almost free, so maybe the game is just being realistic, I dunno.

molarmite · 02-07-2010, 03:28 PM

Well do you really have 100M to give out? That is a lot of money and I doubt any team would be able to trade 100M in one season, it would set you back a long time.

davolson · 02-08-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

Well do you really have 100M to give out? That is a lot of money and I doubt any team would be able to trade 100M in one season, it would set you back a long time.

Well, in the real world, I don't have to pay the full 100 million right away. What teams do is agree to pay the annual salary of a player under contract who they are trading away to another team. Soriano's contact gives him $18 million per year, for the next five years... that's $90 million spread out over that time. The game doesn't allow you to offer money spread out over a number of years, just a bundle of cash now. But even doing that, the AI is not agreeing to take Soriano off my hands, even just for some minor league nobody. I just wondered if anyone else has successfully used the cash payment part of the trading scheme when dealing with AI general managers.

edm · 02-08-2010, 06:27 PM

You have 90M cash? seems like an awful lot. unless you raised the cash maximum a LOT and also managed to save that much. Are you sure you are not getting a "team does not have enough cash to make this deal"?

Also, I could be wrong, but doesn't ootp only penalize for released players during season he's released? So, even though you'll take a big hit in the current season, it will free up that salary for the following seasons? If so, I'd just go ahead and release him.

findinghomer · 02-08-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by edm

You have 90M cash? seems like an awful lot. unless you raised the cash maximum a LOT and also managed to save that much. Are you sure you are not getting a "team does not have enough cash to make this deal"?

Also, I could be wrong, but doesn't ootp only penalize for released players during season he's released? So, even though you'll take a big hit in the current season, it will free up that salary for the following seasons? If so, I'd just go ahead and release him.

no you pay the remainder of the entire contract if you release.

DanDiaz · 02-09-2010, 05:49 AM

Very broken. I have seen the trade window say, the team could not afford trade, it would improve their budget position to +200K.

If the inital offer would put the team in a -700K position, and you offer 900K in cash with the trade, it should be fine, leaving the team at + 200K.

Yet the trade window will say can't do it, would improve their cash position to + 200K. Makes no sense, just another bug.

Also, if a team has a negative budget position, it can't make trades that improve their cash position by millions, but still leave them in a negative position.

I doubt they will fix this bug, it has been around for a while.

DanDiaz · 02-09-2010, 06:14 AM

Try designating them for assignment right before the rule 5 draft, they often get claimed.

I took over a team with a 42yr old 2b whose feilding raiting had gone to zero and I was a NL team.

He was an ok hitter not good 240avg, 320 obp, 10 hr kinda guy. Usless to me, was claimed in the R5 draft.

Also a 35yr old RF, horrible fielder, ok hitter 270A 310 OBP, 20 HR. 3 years 18.5M per. remaining on contract, he was claimed too.

UWHabs · 02-09-2010, 09:59 AM

Yeah, they need to be able to have me pay like 7M a year for a guy's contract. That would certainly help.

I know for me, I had a catcher who was being paid like 11M a year, who ended up basically being a backup catcher by the end of his term. In the last year of his deal, I thankfully was able to dump him along with 7M for a mid-round draft pick (turned on the ability to trade draft picks). It would have been nice to be able to trade him with 7-8M, effectively making him a 3-4M dollar player, which I'm sure someone would have been willing to take.

senorcoo · 02-09-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanDiaz

Try designating them for assignment right before the rule 5 draft, they often get claimed.

I took over a team with a 42yr old 2b whose feilding raiting had gone to zero and I was a NL team.

He was an ok hitter not good 240avg, 320 obp, 10 hr kinda guy. Usless to me, was claimed in the R5 draft.

Also a 35yr old RF, horrible fielder, ok hitter 270A 310 OBP, 20 HR. 3 years 18.5M per. remaining on contract, he was claimed too.

This to me is still something that is broken as NO team would pick up players like that in the rule 5 draft. EVER. If you were interested in a player like that, you would just wait until they got released and then sign them to a minimum deal.

davolson · 02-10-2010, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanDiaz

Try designating them for assignment right before the rule 5 draft, they often get claimed.

I would do that, but the draft has already happened this season. (Actually last December.)

For now I'll hold on to the bum but if I really need to free up a man for the ML squad I'll probably just release him. He's hitting .095 and I hardly ever play him. I'll maybe DFA him next December and see. It'd be nice to be rid of his contract.

Dave

02-07-2010, 12:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
davolson Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Trading Player With Large Contract I have this little Alfonso Soriano problem with my Cubs. He's completely worthless in the game, and I'm desperate to just get rid of him. He of course has this ridiculous $18 milion per year contract until 2014 (thank you, Jim Hendry). I can just release him, but I'd rather get Carlos Silva or someone equally poor, at least. Every time I try to propose a trade, though, it's rejected by the other team based on their not being able to afford his contract. This is even if I agree to pay his salary through 2014 (by offering that amount, or even more, as cash in the deal). It doesn't seem like the cash part of trades is working, when doing AI trades with other teams. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in proposing trades. I can pick some completely marginal player on another team, offer Soriano plus $100 million in cash, and I keep getting rejected. I'm playing as Commish, by the way, if that makes a difference. "Make This Work" doesn't help, either. I could just force the trade which I might do, figuring I could get something for this bum. Of course if I were another team's GM I wouldn't want Soriano even if he was almost free, so maybe the game is just being realistic, I dunno.

02-07-2010, 03:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,790 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 81x in 53 posts	Well do you really have 100M to give out? That is a lot of money and I doubt any team would be able to trade 100M in one season, it would set you back a long time. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein[/SIZE] "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps."

02-09-2010, 05:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
DanDiaz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 147 Thanks: 8 Thanked 24x in 14 posts	yeah, the cash portion of trades is broken Very broken. I have seen the trade window say, the team could not afford trade, it would improve their budget position to +200K. If the inital offer would put the team in a -700K position, and you offer 900K in cash with the trade, it should be fine, leaving the team at + 200K. Yet the trade window will say can't do it, would improve their cash position to + 200K. Makes no sense, just another bug. Also, if a team has a negative budget position, it can't make trades that improve their cash position by millions, but still leave them in a negative position. I doubt they will fix this bug, it has been around for a while.

02-09-2010, 06:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
DanDiaz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 147 Thanks: 8 Thanked 24x in 14 posts	Suggestion for anyone with a useless large contract Try designating them for assignment right before the rule 5 draft, they often get claimed. I took over a team with a 42yr old 2b whose feilding raiting had gone to zero and I was a NL team. He was an ok hitter not good 240avg, 320 obp, 10 hr kinda guy. Usless to me, was claimed in the R5 draft. Also a 35yr old RF, horrible fielder, ok hitter 270A 310 OBP, 20 HR. 3 years 18.5M per. remaining on contract, he was claimed too.

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02-08-2010, 06:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,810 Thanks: 70 Thanked 47x in 35 posts	You have 90M cash? seems like an awful lot. unless you raised the cash maximum a LOT and also managed to save that much. Are you sure you are not getting a "team does not have enough cash to make this deal"? Also, I could be wrong, but doesn't ootp only penalize for released players during season he's released? So, even though you'll take a big hit in the current season, it will free up that salary for the following seasons? If so, I'd just go ahead and release him.

02-09-2010, 09:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
UWHabs Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 198 Thanks: 3 Thanked 66x in 38 posts	Yeah, they need to be able to have me pay like 7M a year for a guy's contract. That would certainly help. I know for me, I had a catcher who was being paid like 11M a year, who ended up basically being a backup catcher by the end of his term. In the last year of his deal, I thankfully was able to dump him along with 7M for a mid-round draft pick (turned on the ability to trade draft picks). It would have been nice to be able to trade him with 7-8M, effectively making him a 3-4M dollar player, which I'm sure someone would have been willing to take.