My top 5 issues with 1-Pitch Managing

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Dola,

And just wanted to say, I agree wholeheartedly with your point about relievers. There is something very wrong with the way relievers recover, and it doesn't matter what setting you have it on. I've seen major league relievers used 4 days straight often enough in real life to know it happens, but I shudder to think what my guy would look like after the 3rd straight, because after the second straight (even if he only threw like 10 pitches total in the two outings), he's pretty much toast.

I agree, this is annoying.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by ike121212

In hope that these are considered for XI...


1. Defense- When you set Pitching Strategy to yourself and Defensive Strategy to the AI, you end up having to control both....very annoying. It feels like a bug and it didn't work like this in older versions. I just want control over the big stuff, like intentional walks!

2. RP Fatigue- It's too hard not to abuse. I can throw RP's every other day for 2 innings and accumulate no fatigue. If I throw someone for 1 batter on 2 consecutive days, they accumulate significant fatigue. I gain a massive advantage over the AI, that's tough to fix with any house rule. I really wish there was some type of reliever durability.

3. Stolen Base Wall- When a high Steal, Low/Medium Speed player hits his artificial SB limit, he just start getting thrown out almost non-stop. This model might work well for simulations, but it's bad for managing. I'd prefer SB's had a fatigue hit, for this type of player.

4. SB- I get forced into pitch by pitch play, until the runner goes. Let me green light him and stay in 1 pitch mode!

5. Accidental Subs- We've all done it. Let me cancel moves, if I catch them before I switch game to the game screen.

1. I'll look into that.
2. RP fatigue works pretty realistic if you ask me. Sure, there might be extreme examples, but overall I feel it is fine.
3. There is no such wall.
4. I prefer the way it works now, I want to be able to change my mind when the count changes because of a failed jump.
5. This is a PITA to code the way the system works now. Hard to explain MAybe I'll come up with an easy fix...

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

1. I'll look into that.
2. RP fatigue works pretty realistic if you ask me. Sure, there might be extreme examples, but overall I feel it is fine.
3. There is no such wall.
4. I prefer the way it works now, I want to be able to change my mind when the count changes because of a failed jump.
5. This is a PITA to code the way the system works now. Hard to explain MAybe I'll come up with an easy fix...

If you look into 1, then I'm pretty happy. I really wish you'd look into RP fatigue though. Short outings really hit RP's hard. With modern bullpen settings, you're pretty much asking the AI to do this, so I don't consider it extreme. Just think of what the Yankee's bullpen would have looked like in the playoffs with your fatigue system....scary thought!

[Cryomaniac]

Markus, wouldn't one way to make the RP fatigue better to instead of basically saying if you pitch more than 2 days in a row you're screwed, you have something like this (this is heavily simplified):

fatigue = total number of pitches x number of consecutive days

so (using an arbitrary standard of fatigue) if you throw 10 pitches a day for 3 days your fatigue would be 90, but if you threw 25 pitches a day for 2 days it would be 100.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by ike121212

If you look into 1, then I'm pretty happy.

OK, #1 already works as designed. The defense is set by the AI prior to you selecting the pitch strategy, so the availabvle defense dropdowns enable you to overrule the AI.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Markus, wouldn't one way to make the RP fatigue better to instead of basically saying if you pitch more than 2 days in a row you're screwed, you have something like this (this is heavily simplified):

fatigue = total number of pitches x number of consecutive days

so (using an arbitrary standard of fatigue) if you throw 10 pitches a day for 3 days your fatigue would be 90, but if you threw 25 pitches a day for 2 days it would be 100.

The system works already similar to that. It's a pretty complex algorythm, and I feel it works very realistic.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The system works already similar to that. It's a pretty complex algorythm, and I feel it works very realistic.

I still think short outings hit a little too hard, and that reliever durability would be a nice dimension to the game. If you're happy with how it's working, then I appreciate you taking the time to read and respond.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by ike121212

I still think short outings hit a little too hard, and that reliever durability would be a nice dimension to the game. If you're happy with how it's working, then I appreciate you taking the time to read and respond.

Why reliever durability? The pitcher stamina is already used in the algorythm... why should be need a second rating for the same thing?

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Why reliever durability? The pitcher stamina is already used in the algorythm... why should be need a second rating for the same thing?

Because the 2 are often inversely related in real life. The typical spot starter has high stamina, but doesn't handle back to back games well. Many relievers aren't accustomed to throwing more than 1 inning or so, but regularly bounce back and throw 2 or more games in a row.

Pedro Feliciano threw 86 games in 2008 for 53 innings, 34 times on consecutive days, but only 1 long outing. Low stam, high durability....not at all uncommon for a lefty specialist. On the other side, Josh Rupe only threw consecutively twice, but rung up 32 long outings.

I won't belabor the point with the Mike Marshall's of the world (106 appearances for 208 innings), but when you look at the use of closers in the late 70's/early 80's, such as Goose Gossage, the game just doesn't allow for it.

[Cryomaniac]

Basically, 1 long outing should be more tiring than 2 shot ones.

[robc]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I prefer the way it works now, I want to be able to change my mind when the count changes because of a failed jump.

I can see that may be true if you are playing out each pitch. But if you are playing one pitch per AB, it would sure be nice to just give him the green light. Perhaps you can add an independant checkbox for green light so you can do either?

On a related but different note...
I think it would be an interesting and useful addition to the manual if you could explain some of the way the engine works (without giving up anything you consider a trade secret ). You could put them in little side notes so if people don't care they could skip it.

For example, it would be nice to know if the AI is more likely to throw a pitchout on certain counts or if it is more random. Do high steal / low speed runners get a good jump much less frequently but if they do they have a good chance of being safe (or visa versa). These are interesting and useful tidbits of information. Your other post was a great example of this type of info (the infield automatically plays at double play depth when necessary).

[knockahoma]

Long as we're here.

Markus,

I play an 8 team league. I handle all teams and play out all their games. The only thing I handle are substitutions. And I'm in one pitch mode. Since the AI is handling both pitching and stealing, do you foresee any problems with that?

I'm only a few games into the season, but the computer is not having much luck stealing against itself.

Thanks for the game.