Bench coach reassigning pitchers question

[rudoggy]

Not sure if i just never noticed this before.
I drafted a bunch of MR in the June draft.
As i micro manage most everything, and want to have full operating rosters(5 starters, all positions filled, etc), i review some of my MR and see some could easily be starters. Stamina is up over 75 on each one i tried. So i set their position to starter.
They show up as starter on the pitchers screen. As soon as i click "ask bench coach" button, he reassigns them to MR.
I even adjust the stats to make them a better starter to see what happens, and he bumps them down! I use the editor to set their position to starter, even the recommendation is "starter", but they keep getting changed back.
Can they be locked in starter somewhere?
any thoughts?

thanks

[Flying Dutchmen]

Originally Posted by rudoggy

Not sure if i just never noticed this before.
I drafted a bunch of MR in the June draft.
As i micro manage most everything, and want to have full operating rosters(5 starters, all positions filled, etc), i review some of my MR and see some could easily be starters. Stamina is up over 75 on each one i tried. So i set their position to starter.
They show up as starter on the pitchers screen. As soon as i click "ask bench coach" button, he reassigns them to MR.
I even adjust the stats to make them a better starter to see what happens, and he bumps them down! I use the editor to set their position to starter, even the recommendation is "starter", but they keep getting changed back.
Can they be locked in starter somewhere?
any thoughts?

thanks

They could easily be starters how? Just because they have high stamina? OOTP X looks far more at pitch ratings than stamina when determining who is a starter or not. Any pitcher with a stamina over 30 could potentially be a starter. What it sounds like is happening is that the pitchers you are trying to force into starting roles have fewer/lower rated pitches than the other pitchers on the staff. In the minor leagues, the bench coach will also use overall potential to determine roles - i.e. highly rated prospects are more likely to be placed in the starter's role as long as they can so that they have more of an opportunity to develop or possibly develop a new pitch.

[rudoggy]

Stamina is up, but also the other ratings were comparable to the other 3 starters i have on there.
I didnt think the bench coach -could- just reassign players. If i have a position player who plays a few positions, and i force him into one where he isnt that great, can the AI just take that over and change it to what it wants?
Like i said, i beefed up ratings just to see, and he still got bumped down to MR.
I think i am more upset that i didnt realize this was out of my hands.
I have total control over all "Team control settings", except Minor league lineups/depth/pitching. I assumed this option was there in case i wanted them to quickly alter the lineup, not changed a players position to what it thinks is best. I have about 15-20 MR in the rookie league as i have not thinned them out yet. But the AI is not filling up my pitching lineup with high stamina MR, it is just going with 2 starters, and not using the rest.
The "suggested role" is listed as starter, and his ratings rival some of my Major league starters, i just dont get this. And in reviewing his history, he has started many games.

[Flying Dutchmen]

Originally Posted by rudoggy

Stamina is up, but also the other ratings were comparable to the other 3 starters i have on there.
I didnt think the bench coach -could- just reassign players. If i have a position player who plays a few positions, and i force him into one where he isnt that great, can the AI just take that over and change it to what it wants?
Like i said, i beefed up ratings just to see, and he still got bumped down to MR.
I think i am more upset that i didnt realize this was out of my hands.
I have total control over all "Team control settings", except Minor league lineups/depth/pitching. I assumed this option was there in case i wanted them to quickly alter the lineup, not changed a players position to what it thinks is best. I have about 15-20 MR in the rookie league as i have not thinned them out yet. But the AI is not filling up my pitching lineup with high stamina MR, it is just going with 2 starters, and not using the rest.
The "suggested role" is listed as starter, and his ratings rival some of my Major league starters, i just dont get this. And in reviewing his history, he has started many games.

How is the depth chart or rotation changing? Are you asking the bench coach to set it up or is it just changing? If you ask the bench coach, he will change things. If not, then we're talking a wholly different issue.

Regarding forcing a player into a position, do you mean on their strategy page, or just placing them where you want on the depth chart and then asking your bench coach? If you don't use the strategy page, the bench coach will ignore whatever you have there prior to asking him. He's essentially starting with a blank page as far as I know.

I think I have a better feel for your rookie league situation though. How old are these starters that are being moved? The coaches won't start players that are "old" for their level and will instead favor young prospects, particularly in the lower levels like the rookie league. Hence the current ratings will not be a big factor but potential will matter far more in deciding who starts and who doesn't.

Regarding the 2 starters, here's my question: are you in the playoffs? I know the coach will change the rotation size when you go into the playoffs. In my leagues, an auto-fill will go to a 3-man rotation in the playoffs instead of a 5-man. It may be that this is what is causing your small rotation - it's an idea at least.

[rudoggy]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchmen

How is the depth chart or rotation changing? Are you asking the bench coach to set it up or is it just changing? If you ask the bench coach, he will change things. If not, then we're talking a wholly different issue.

Regarding forcing a player into a position, do you mean on their strategy page, or just placing them where you want on the depth chart and then asking your bench coach? If you don't use the strategy page, the bench coach will ignore whatever you have there prior to asking him. He's essentially starting with a blank page as far as I know.

I think I have a better feel for your rookie league situation though. How old are these starters that are being moved? The coaches won't start players that are "old" for their level and will instead favor young prospects, particularly in the lower levels like the rookie league. Hence the current ratings will not be a big factor but potential will matter far more in deciding who starts and who doesn't.

Regarding the 2 starters, here's my question: are you in the playoffs? I know the coach will change the rotation size when you go into the playoffs. In my leagues, an auto-fill will go to a 3-man rotation in the playoffs instead of a 5-man. It may be that this is what is causing your small rotation - it's an idea at least.

Thanks for reply.

The date is mid June. I have 20 MR and 3 SP in my rookie league(because of the June draft). I edit a MR pitcher in both the editor, and just "set position to" to make them SP. I have 5 man rotation set. But there are not enough SP, so it uses assigns 3,(the only 3 SP available).
After clicking the button for my bench coach to assign a pitching rotation,
the AI then changes the SP to an MR on said pitcher, and wont put them in SP role. It is choosing to use no one as opposed to a pitcher i made that could be pitching 3 levels above rookie. It also then changes the rotation to "3 man"
So i am asking the bench coach to set the rotation, not reassign SP to MR.

[Flying Dutchmen]

Originally Posted by rudoggy

Thanks for reply.

The date is mid June. I have 20 MR and 3 SP in my rookie league(because of the June draft). I edit a MR pitcher in both the editor, and just "set position to" to make them SP. I have 5 man rotation set. But there are not enough SP, so it uses assigns 3,(the only 3 SP available).
After clicking the button for my bench coach to assign a pitching rotation,
the AI then changes the SP to an MR on said pitcher, and wont put them in SP role. It is choosing to use no one as opposed to a pitcher i made that could be pitching 3 levels above rookie. It also then changes the rotation to "3 man"
So i am asking the bench coach to set the rotation, not reassign SP to MR.

Okay, I see what you're getting at. I'll go back to what I said in a previous post then - at what point are you in your season? Does your rookie league run from late June-September like the default? If the playoffs just happened though in your rookie league, it may still give you a 3-man rotation. Also, your league settings could impact how large of a rotation the game thinks you need.

If either of these aren't the issue, it may be there is a logic issue regarding older SPs and rookie league rotations where it won't even consider them there.

[rudoggy]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchmen

Okay, I see what you're getting at. I'll go back to what I said in a previous post then - at what point are you in your season? Does your rookie league run from late June-September like the default? If the playoffs just happened though in your rookie league, it may still give you a 3-man rotation. Also, your league settings could impact how large of a rotation the game thinks you need.

If either of these aren't the issue, it may be there is a logic issue regarding older SPs and rookie league rotations where it won't even consider them there.

You are correct, my rookie season appears to have ended. There are no scheduled games after the current date, and the league seems to run april-june for whatever reason.(I have never edited the schedule, but this league is a carry forward from past versions of the game)
So the fact that it defaults to a 3 man rotation, seems to be inline with what you said the AI does in playoffs.
But there is no call for it to just change a pitchers designation. I had thought that when i changed it, i overrode the AI.

[Flying Dutchmen]

Originally Posted by rudoggy

You are correct, my rookie season appears to have ended. There are no scheduled games after the current date, and the league seems to run april-june for whatever reason.(I have never edited the schedule, but this league is a carry forward from past versions of the game)
So the fact that it defaults to a 3 man rotation, seems to be inline with what you said the AI does in playoffs.
But there is no call for it to just change a pitchers designation. I had thought that when i changed it, i overrode the AI.

This I can answer pretty easily. The game handles stamina effects differently depending on which position label you give a pitcher. You can put a player in the bullpen with a SP label or a MR label, but the SP-labelled pitcher will not be able to pitch as often, as they will recuperate more slowly than the MR-labelled pitcher. The reverse goes with pitchers in the rotation - MRs can't pitch as long as SPs. You can think of this as the different training regimens required for each position. Therefore, in order to make sure that every pitcher in the bullpen is able to be used like real-life relievers are, they are all labeled as MR, even if you've set them as SPs earlier. It's a way to keep pitcher usage and stamina in line with real life basically. It can be an annoyance but I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[rudoggy]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchmen

This I can answer pretty easily. The game handles stamina effects differently depending on which position label you give a pitcher. You can put a player in the bullpen with a SP label or a MR label, but the SP-labelled pitcher will not be able to pitch as often, as they will recuperate more slowly than the MR-labelled pitcher. The reverse goes with pitchers in the rotation - MRs can't pitch as long as SPs. You can think of this as the different training regimens required for each position. Therefore, in order to make sure that every pitcher in the bullpen is able to be used like real-life relievers are, they are all labeled as MR, even if you've set them as SPs earlier. It's a way to keep pitcher usage and stamina in line with real life basically. It can be an annoyance but I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Thanks for the info.
My reasoning was, i want certain ones to develop and get their games in, more than others, that are just there to a rotation spot. I will have to wait until next season i guess, to see how it handles them.

[Flying Dutchmen]

Originally Posted by rudoggy

Thanks for the info.
My reasoning was, i want certain ones to develop and get their games in, more than others, that are just there to a rotation spot. I will have to wait until next season i guess, to see how it handles them.

I'm not sure if position has an impact on development during the offseason - that's a question for someone else to maybe answer. If you feel like it might, you could always change their position label and just not set the depth chart since you're in the offseason anyways.

[rudoggy]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchmen

I'm not sure if position has an impact on development during the offseason - that's a question for someone else to maybe answer. If you feel like it might, you could always change their position label and just not set the depth chart since you're in the offseason anyways.

Ya, not sure about development in off season, i would think you only develop while playing. It was more that i didnt realize the rookie season was over so soon and more so that rookie ball ran 3 man rotations in playoffs. So i will set him back to SP, set rotation manually, and wait for next rookie season to see what happens.
Thanks again!

[RchW]

Why don't you "force start" each pitcher to meet your needs. Use the action tab and Set game strategy.