Player development past Age 25

Qwerty75 · 03-13-2010, 03:56 PM

Did a thorough search on this topic in the OotPX forum and didn't get an answer ...

I am fairly certain that young players/prospects develop their current ratings towards their potentials during their Age 25 year. However, I remember in previous versions of the game, prospects would stop developing towards their potentials after age 25.

Does a player still develop towards his potentials at Age 26? Does it make a difference if that 26 year-old is in the majors or minors? It would make sense that players developed up through at least Age 27 because that is the age at which it is commonly held that players (at least hitters) reach their peak.

Thanks in advance for your help.

damientheomen3 · 03-13-2010, 04:11 PM

They usually develop till 27 or 28. Ihad a rookie SS not fully develo until age 27, since my top SS left via free agency, so now he's a 27 year old rookie who finally is fully developed, and kicking butt!

Qwerty75 · 03-13-2010, 04:32 PM

Nice that you got results with an older rookie.

Would my 26 year-old pitcher develop better in the majors or in AAA? He had pretty good numbers in AAA last year except for a higher than ideal walk rate. His ratings (10 S, 12 M, 8 C -- out of 20), however, are probably a little low for the big leagues. His potentials are 11 S, 12 M, 12 C -- if he fills out his potential, he could be a solid #4 or #5 starter for me. My two options are stashing him in the major-league bullpen as a mop-up man and emergency starter or keeping him down in AAA for development time. Keeping him in the majors, however, would take up a roster spot that could go to another prospect knocking on the door or a useful bench player. But the bottom line is that I want to play him at the level that will most likely lead him to fulfill his potential.

Any thoughts?

RchW · 03-13-2010, 05:20 PM

Here is an interesting one.

This guy always had potential but never pushed through to the next level until he was 28. I like this part of the development engine.

Is it realistic though?

Afino · 03-13-2010, 05:33 PM

Or like this guy.

Typical underdeveloped prospect that bounced around and didn't impress anywhere, but then at age 28, the light turned on and he finished developing. He had two monster seasons and then disappeared just as quickly.

Qwerty75 · 03-13-2010, 06:50 PM

I think it's realistic to have development go into the late 20s. In MLB you have guys that get labeled AAAA players and don't really break through in the bigs until they are in their prime years. If a hitter has his peak performance from 27-29, then it is logical that they develop their skills through those years.

A couple examples of late bloomers from MLB are Jayson Werth and Jack Cust. Cust's stock is down so maybe he's not a compelling example, but he had two very good seasons in his first taste of regular action in his late 20s. Werth was only a part-time role player until the past two seasons around age 30.

Going back to one of my original questions for a bit: Does it make a difference to a late bloomer's development if he is the majors or minors? That is, if he's 26, will he still develop in AAA? Or does it have more to do with what level is appropriate according to his current ratings?

Afino · 03-13-2010, 06:57 PM

I subscribe to the "he's 25, what do you have lose by playing him in the majors?" theory.

RchW · 03-13-2010, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afino

I subscribe to the "he's 25, what do you have lose by playing him in the majors?" theory.

QFT

And if they can't hack it, trade 'em or dump 'em.

knockahoma · 03-15-2010, 09:49 AM

Bill Robinson is one of the best examples I know of a guy who everyone knew was talented, but couldn't put it together until in his 30s.

Bill Robinson Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

Curtis · 03-28-2010, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwerty75

Going back to one of my original questions for a bit: Does it make a difference to a late bloomer's development if he is the majors or minors? That is, if he's 26, will he still develop in AAA? Or does it have more to do with what level is appropriate according to his current ratings?

I'm a big believer in leveling them according to current ratings. Note, however, that my success rate is not high….

03-13-2010, 03:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Qwerty75 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 795 Thanked 64x in 52 posts	Player development past Age 25 Did a thorough search on this topic in the OotPX forum and didn't get an answer ... I am fairly certain that young players/prospects develop their current ratings towards their potentials during their Age 25 year. However, I remember in previous versions of the game, prospects would stop developing towards their potentials after age 25. Does a player still develop towards his potentials at Age 26? Does it make a difference if that 26 year-old is in the majors or minors? It would make sense that players developed up through at least Age 27 because that is the age at which it is commonly held that players (at least hitters) reach their peak. Thanks in advance for your help. __________________

03-13-2010, 04:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Qwerty75 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 795 Thanked 64x in 52 posts	Nice that you got results with an older rookie. Would my 26 year-old pitcher develop better in the majors or in AAA? He had pretty good numbers in AAA last year except for a higher than ideal walk rate. His ratings (10 S, 12 M, 8 C -- out of 20), however, are probably a little low for the big leagues. His potentials are 11 S, 12 M, 12 C -- if he fills out his potential, he could be a solid #4 or #5 starter for me. My two options are stashing him in the major-league bullpen as a mop-up man and emergency starter or keeping him down in AAA for development time. Keeping him in the majors, however, would take up a roster spot that could go to another prospect knocking on the door or a useful bench player. But the bottom line is that I want to play him at the level that will most likely lead him to fulfill his potential. Any thoughts? __________________

03-13-2010, 06:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Qwerty75 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 795 Thanked 64x in 52 posts	I think it's realistic to have development go into the late 20s. In MLB you have guys that get labeled AAAA players and don't really break through in the bigs until they are in their prime years. If a hitter has his peak performance from 27-29, then it is logical that they develop their skills through those years. A couple examples of late bloomers from MLB are Jayson Werth and Jack Cust. Cust's stock is down so maybe he's not a compelling example, but he had two very good seasons in his first taste of regular action in his late 20s. Werth was only a part-time role player until the past two seasons around age 30. Going back to one of my original questions for a bit: Does it make a difference to a late bloomer's development if he is the majors or minors? That is, if he's 26, will he still develop in AAA? Or does it have more to do with what level is appropriate according to his current ratings? __________________

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03-15-2010, 09:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
knockahoma All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 792 Thanked 75x in 31 posts	Bill Robinson is one of the best examples I know of a guy who everyone knew was talented, but couldn't put it together until in his 30s. Bill Robinson Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com