Which player for which position?

[Loeffle]

Originally Posted by knockahoma

Just out of curiosity, where does Schoop's 74 range rating stand with starting shortstops in the league. Would that be 5th best, 10th best, etc? No matter what, Harrington seems the odd man out if it were my team. He seems to be a weak middle infielder and he can't play 3b. Your 1B is mediocre. Seems Harrington-- a SS-- could be converted to 1B easily and hit like a 1B too. You were talking about moving your 3B over to 1B, but he seems to be a mediocre hitting 1st sacker too (.260ish,15HR).

I think I'd move Harrington to 1b and trade one of your other infielders for a really good fielding SS.

Ok, here we go.
Guess I can't give Harrington away. He was my Nr. 1 pick in the expansion draft and he might win the ROY. He's also my only batter who hits very well with RISP. Especially with the bases loaded
He could replace the current starting 1B (Kendry Morales) easily, but there's also a very big talent close to to big leagues. In addition I have Duncan who was just sent to the minors because he struggled badly, after hitting over .300 for most of the first two months.
I have a very good defensive SS in Alberto Gonzalez, but he is battling the Mendoza Line ...

The 2012 Shortstops (sorted after Range Factor/Fielding Percentage/Rating at SS):
I. Desmond - Buffalo (4.22, .965, 65)
L. Hernandez - Pittsburgh (4.19, .988, 81)
J. Rollins - Philly (4.15, 9.88, 61)
O. Hudson - St. Louis (4.14, .977, 78) -> I converted him to SS when he was playing for me at Milwaukee
H. Ramirez - Florida (4.14, .983, 70)
D. Mayora - Colorado (4.11, .979, 68)
M. Hollimon - Toronto (4.00, .981, 50)
J. Santos - Milwaukee (3.99, .982, 70)
R. Furcal - Arizona (3.88, .978, 67)
H. Iribarren - San Francisco (3.83, .984, 51) -> a converted 2B
A. Anderson - San Diego (3.83, .951, 39)
E. Andrus - Atlanta (3.82, .979, 95)
D. Johnston - Chicago (3.67, .969, 70)
J. Harrington - Winnipeg (3.64, .972, 58)
C. Valaika - Cincinnati (3.61, .971, 63)

Move to the outfield is no option, as Harrington is slow and has no arm.

[knockahoma]

He [ Harrington] could replace the current starting 1B (Kendry Morales) easily, but there's also a very big talent close to to big leagues. In addition I have Duncan who was just sent to the minors because he struggled badly, after hitting over .300 for most of the first two months.

Is that minor league stud expected to come up this year? If not, a surly manager of the past came to mind. He said something like, " Never save a pitcher for tomorrow; it may rain tomorrow."

It's a fun discussion and I can see the thinking behind the various theories. For me, Harrington sounds like a guy who will hit .300, 30HR, etc. I put him at first and worry about the minor league stud later, especially if the kid is a year away. Who knows, some "rain" may fall on that kid's future, or at least delay it. Harrington as a middle infielder just goes against my personal tastes.

And I guess there ya go.... one more opinion, and you know what they say opinions are like

[Qwerty75]

Loeffle,

You may want to hold off on making any personnel decisions if you're converting your league to OotP11. The new game will have new defensive stats which should be able to give you a better idea on the actual performance of defenders. Using Range Factor or Fld. % is not a good way to evaluate performance ... the defensive stats available in OotPX cause more confusion than clarity. Just a thought ... you should be able to make a better evaluation with the new def. metrics available in the new game.

[Loeffle]

Originally Posted by knockahoma

Is that minor league stud expected to come up this year? If not, a surly manager of the past came to mind. He said something like, " Never save a pitcher for tomorrow; it may rain tomorrow."

It's a fun discussion and I can see the thinking behind the various theories. For me, Harrington sounds like a guy who will hit .300, 30HR, etc. I put him at first and worry about the minor league stud later, especially if the kid is a year away. Who knows, some "rain" may fall on that kid's future, or at least delay it. Harrington as a middle infielder just goes against my personal tastes.

And I guess there ya go.... one more opinion, and you know what they say opinions are like

The minor league guy got the call after the All-Star-Break facing lefties. Batting .207, with 3 HR, 9 RBI in 58 AB. At AAA he was batting .338 with an OPS of. 993.

But for sure, I could the minor guy another year at AAA. He can definetely play only 1B or DH (which doesnt exist in 2012 anymore ).

Guess I have to find a decent SS or give the job to the good defense, no offense guy.

[Loeffle]

Originally Posted by Qwerty75

Loeffle,

You may want to hold off on making any personnel decisions if you're converting your league to OotP11. The new game will have new defensive stats which should be able to give you a better idea on the actual performance of defenders. Using Range Factor or Fld. % is not a good way to evaluate performance ... the defensive stats available in OotPX cause more confusion than clarity. Just a thought ... you should be able to make a better evaluation with the new def. metrics available in the new game.

I ordered it already, but I'm not sure if it will work.
When I loaded my dynasty on OOTP 10, the AI went crazy and released most starters, handing the rotation spot to relievers with no stamina.
Therefore I never used OOTP 10, and still play on OOTP 9.
Let's wait and see

[Loeffle]

The final stats for all players are now ready at
There's something brewing - A Badenian going America

Sadly I can't switch to OOTP 11

[Loeffle]

Originally Posted by knockahoma

Is that minor league stud expected to come up this year? If not, a surly manager of the past came to mind. He said something like, " Never save a pitcher for tomorrow; it may rain tomorrow."

It's a fun discussion and I can see the thinking behind the various theories. For me, Harrington sounds like a guy who will hit .300, 30HR, etc. I put him at first and worry about the minor league stud later, especially if the kid is a year away. Who knows, some "rain" may fall on that kid's future, or at least delay it. Harrington as a middle infielder just goes against my personal tastes.

And I guess there ya go.... one more opinion, and you know what they say opinions are like

Ok guys, everything came a bit different as expected, due to strange free agent developments.
But I had to opt for power instead of defense:

1B Ryan Braun
2B Joe Harrington
SS Sharlon Schoop
3B Davis / Lee platoon
+ good defensive utility man

[knockahoma]

Ok guys, everything came a bit different as expected, due to strange free agent developments.
But I had to opt for power instead of defense:

1B Ryan Braun
2B Joe Harrington
SS Sharlon Schoop
3B Davis / Lee platoon

Get ready! The saber-dudes are gonna eat you up!. I can see the headlines now, just by changing the name from Jeter to Schoop.

NUMBERS DON'T LIE: SCHOOP IS A HORRIBLE SHORTSTOP

One of SAFE’s calculations surely pleased the Cambridge crowd and confirmed what analysts have argued for some time: The Winnipeg Bisons' Sharlon Schoop has been one of the consistently worst defensive shortstops playing today.

Actually, you said you had the numbers (fielding)? I'll have to check those. Something that fascinates me is how a player's real and actual talent correlates to fielding stats in OOTP.

In real life, we try to ascertain a player's true ability (ratings) by calculations like SAFE. In OOTP, we KNOW a player's true talent (ratings) from the get-go, but how often do the stats mislead us on the fielding leader boards? Interesting, eh?

[Loeffle]

Originally Posted by knockahoma

Get ready! The saber-dudes are gonna eat you up!. I can see the headlines now, just by changing the name from Jeter to Schoop.



Actually, you said you had the numbers (fielding)? I'll have to check those. Something that fascinates me is how a player's real and actual talent correlates to fielding stats in OOTP.

In real life, we try to ascertain a player's true ability (ratings) by calculations like SAFE. In OOTP, we KNOW a player's true talent (ratings) from the get-go, but how often do the stats mislead us on the fielding leader boards? Interesting, eh?

Back from business trip - and ready to get bashed by saber-dudes

Well, I got kind of caught that Ryan Braun signed. And you'd agree that the only suitable place for him is 1B. He's horrible in the outfield in my game, and even more horrible at 3B or SS (where the Brewers moved him last season).

Of course I wouldn't trade Harrington as he is my RBI machine. But I'd understand every saber-dude being concerent that Harrington is the 2B now

So Schoop has a 74 at SS - 250.2 IP, 93 TC, 34 PO, 59 A, 0 E, 6 DP (I agree that's not much), 3.34 RF.
Schoop is not among the Top 15 NL defensive shortstops But has an OBP of .400.
Lee has a 73 at 3B - 202.2 PI, 61 TC, 21 PO, 38 A, 2 E, 3 DP, 2.62 RF