Too many retirements ???

clamel · 07-23-2008, 04:59 PM

I must ask other historical simmers...

In my book I think players are retire too much and too early. I got many that isn´t 30 years and even without injuries. They get released and then a few months later they retire.

I know I can use the Retire in History enable, but then many players that only had brief months of MLB stints will drop out in their "rookie" year. It will IMHO be even worse.

I know I can unretire players and are trying this after each season, but this is just ridicolous. Many players have even 10 years left what they did in real life.
Perhaps some know if OOTP always been so Retirement friendly in early versions.
I would like to see that at least until you are past 30 years there should be a bigger will to stay playing unless injury cut you down.
Is it lack of teams (I play with AAA and AA, but other leagues)
Perhaps adding some Mexican or other leagues will make these players stay longer active.

Whatever someone has on this please come forward

Jah · 07-23-2008, 09:17 PM

I've had a historical league going since the 2007 version - starting in 1901 and up to 1907 now - and honestly haven't had too many early retirements. I use four levels of minors (AAA-AA-A-Rookie), but I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Most of the stars have lasted until about 40, with some packing it in a little early compared to real life, but more actually lasting longer. I have a couple of guys in the league now who retired a few years earlier in real life, but are still having decent careers into their early 40's in OOTP. Of course, I'll have to see if this trend continues as I finish my first season using OOTP9.

I'm curious to see how long Cy Young will last in my league (he's 40 now). I've read on these boards where he always packs it in earlier than real life, so I'm hoping to get another 2 or 3 years out of him just to see how many wins he can rack up.

BeachBum · 07-24-2008, 02:24 AM

Over the various versions of OOTP dating back to 6.5, I've played many many historical games mostly for 10-15 year stretches in the post WWII era and not had the problem. In fact, it seems to me that there are too many "old" players who have not retired. I have had many players in their 40's most of whom are upper level players but not necessarily superstars.

theoutlaw321 · 07-28-2008, 09:41 AM

Well I have recently purchased the game, and have a league set up starting in 1988. I unretired several hundred low end guys to fill my minors up. And I too have a tremendous amount of retirements. I unretire them and they get signed. Then a minor league finishes its season and they mass retire again. Is there something that I am doing wrong as far as the intitial settings that I began with? Any help would be appreciated.

Pronkytonk · 07-28-2008, 09:56 AM

IMO it is a lack of playing opportunities that causes these players around 30 years of age to retire. If they can't get a job that looks adequate to what they achieved in their career so far, they will retire after a while. Adding independent leagues or additional minor league levels may help, but I haven't tried this yet. Unretiring guys to fill up your minor league rosters does not work properly because the players have played in the majors before and consider the jobs you assign them to as inappropriate so they prefer to retire instead of hanging around in A or AA for an extended period of time.

BeachBum · 07-28-2008, 10:31 AM

When you say you unretired several hundred players, this implies that you either imported the full history or have simmed for a few years to get to where you are. Otherwise, there aren't this number of players available.

If you are in your first year, your minors (I'm not sure how many levels you have) are not full as you only get the players that actually played in the majors that year. It takes a few years to build up the total number of players available. I have had some years when there were only 5-8 players in the minors per team.

Also, have you actually "seen" these players retire or just found that they had retired? You get messages toward the end of the season which of your players are retiring. That way you can see how many and who are retiring.

theoutlaw321 · 07-28-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachBum

When you say you unretired several hundred players, this implies that you either imported the full history or have simmed for a few years to get to where you are. Otherwise, there aren't this number of players available.

If you are in your first year, your minors (I'm not sure how many levels you have) are not full as you only get the players that actually played in the majors that year. It takes a few years to build up the total number of players available. I have had some years when there were only 5-8 players in the minors per team.

Also, have you actually "seen" these players retire or just found that they had retired? You get messages toward the end of the season which of your players are retiring. That way you can see how many and who are retiring.

Imported the entire Gambo database. Still had to unretire several hundred players.

The players are signed. They are moved up and down in the minors. At the end of the season in the minors, massive amount of the players that I unretired reretired.

clamel · 07-28-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pronkytonk

IMO it is a lack of playing opportunities that causes these players around 30 years of age to retire. If they can't get a job that looks adequate to what they achieved in their career so far, they will retire after a while. Adding independent leagues or additional minor league levels may help, but I haven't tried this yet. Unretiring guys to fill up your minor league rosters does not work properly because the players have played in the majors before and consider the jobs you assign them to as inappropriate so they prefer to retire instead of hanging around in A or AA for an extended period of time.

This sounds like a very good reason to me. It´s often that kind of player with a few years or more besides the ole stars that retire very quick.

I will try out having some Independent Leagues, perhaps Japan League too. Then we see.
All in all I see that I am not alone having many more retirements than expected. Still I had Tom Glavine going a full year (1989) as a FA without any team signed him. He did sign mid-1990 and kept going.

clamel · 07-31-2008, 07:57 AM

We got Bobby Witt, just AGE 25 !!!!!
But mostly likely from NOT being signed 1988,1989.
Then of course what could be the reason him NOT being signed.
He played just 5 starts in 1987 for Texas with 2-2 3.57 ERA
Don´t know if he asked TOO much money or whatever, but in the case of good starting pitcher I have found out that many teams get a roation early in the season and sticking with it almost a whole season. NOT any chance to get a player trying for 5-10 starts to have a look-see.
This might be negative to starters like Bobby Witt
Knowing Bobby Witt he was up for a GRAND season in 1990 with 17 wins and he kept going until 2001, racking up plus 140 wins in the majors.

BIG question on this is also. What will have happend to him if I played along with the new option of retirement after the last MLB game (I refuse to call it retirement time, since OOTP is not looking at ACTUAL retirement BUT on last game played, BIG DIFFERENCE)

Bobby Witts history file ... Pretty good pitcher at the retirement day right

19870525 Strikes out 17 against the Northport Goths.
19870705 Pitches a 4-hit shutout against the Corpus Christi Harpies with 7 strikeouts and 1 BB allowed!
19880101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 70 (70); Movement: 80 (80); Control: 40 (40).
19880414 Released by the Texas Rangers.
19890101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 65 (65); Movement: 75 (75); Control: 45 (45).
19900101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 70 (70); Movement: 80 (80); Control: 45 (45).
19900101 Retired from professional baseball.

PS Getting tired off unretire Nolan Ryan after 1988, 89, 90, 91 (haven´t got further). I even force sign him to the team he actually played for, but the dump him after the season whatever stats.

No Pepper · 07-31-2008, 02:07 PM

clamel, what are your AI evaluation settings? % ratings, % current year, etc

clamel · 08-02-2008, 11:28 AM

I haven´t messed with these, but I am using the "standard".
Perhaps an increase of last year and 2 years ago will help.
I´m not sure on this.

However the values about fewer innings and AB when you create the dynasty. Weaken players with less at bats and so on. This could be a factor.
What one see is that many "cup-of-coffee" players gets opening day starts or in the rotation with high rankings. These players block out many true veteran good pitchers and players.
Any ideas on how to really lesser these players qualities so that they more often are used as they did in history. To come up in the majors if a star player was injured or likewise. I think that these parttimers might even stick around longer and not retire weeks after being released.

Any messing with % stuff and such should help BUT how will the best setup be then ???

07-23-2008, 04:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
clamel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 664 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Too many retirements ??? I must ask other historical simmers... In my book I think players are retire too much and too early. I got many that isn´t 30 years and even without injuries. They get released and then a few months later they retire. I know I can use the Retire in History enable, but then many players that only had brief months of MLB stints will drop out in their "rookie" year. It will IMHO be even worse. I know I can unretire players and are trying this after each season, but this is just ridicolous. Many players have even 10 years left what they did in real life. Perhaps some know if OOTP always been so Retirement friendly in early versions. I would like to see that at least until you are past 30 years there should be a bigger will to stay playing unless injury cut you down. Is it lack of teams (I play with AAA and AA, but other leagues) Perhaps adding some Mexican or other leagues will make these players stay longer active. Whatever someone has on this please come forward

07-31-2008, 07:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
clamel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 664 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	We got Bobby Witt, just AGE 25 !!!!! But mostly likely from NOT being signed 1988,1989. Then of course what could be the reason him NOT being signed. He played just 5 starts in 1987 for Texas with 2-2 3.57 ERA Don´t know if he asked TOO much money or whatever, but in the case of good starting pitcher I have found out that many teams get a roation early in the season and sticking with it almost a whole season. NOT any chance to get a player trying for 5-10 starts to have a look-see. This might be negative to starters like Bobby Witt Knowing Bobby Witt he was up for a GRAND season in 1990 with 17 wins and he kept going until 2001, racking up plus 140 wins in the majors. BIG question on this is also. What will have happend to him if I played along with the new option of retirement after the last MLB game (I refuse to call it retirement time, since OOTP is not looking at ACTUAL retirement BUT on last game played, BIG DIFFERENCE) Bobby Witts history file ... Pretty good pitcher at the retirement day right 19870525 Strikes out 17 against the Northport Goths. 19870705 Pitches a 4-hit shutout against the Corpus Christi Harpies with 7 strikeouts and 1 BB allowed! 19880101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 70 (70); Movement: 80 (80); Control: 40 (40). 19880414 Released by the Texas Rangers. 19890101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 65 (65); Movement: 75 (75); Control: 45 (45). 19900101 OSA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 70 (70); Movement: 80 (80); Control: 45 (45). 19900101 Retired from professional baseball. PS Getting tired off unretire Nolan Ryan after 1988, 89, 90, 91 (haven´t got further). I even force sign him to the team he actually played for, but the dump him after the season whatever stats. Last edited by clamel; 07-31-2008 at 11:59 AM.

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07-23-2008, 09:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jah Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3x in 1 post	I've had a historical league going since the 2007 version - starting in 1901 and up to 1907 now - and honestly haven't had too many early retirements. I use four levels of minors (AAA-AA-A-Rookie), but I'm not sure if that makes a difference. Most of the stars have lasted until about 40, with some packing it in a little early compared to real life, but more actually lasting longer. I have a couple of guys in the league now who retired a few years earlier in real life, but are still having decent careers into their early 40's in OOTP. Of course, I'll have to see if this trend continues as I finish my first season using OOTP9. I'm curious to see how long Cy Young will last in my league (he's 40 now). I've read on these boards where he always packs it in earlier than real life, so I'm hoping to get another 2 or 3 years out of him just to see how many wins he can rack up.

07-24-2008, 02:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
BeachBum Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Copalis Beach, WA Posts: 186 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Over the various versions of OOTP dating back to 6.5, I've played many many historical games mostly for 10-15 year stretches in the post WWII era and not had the problem. In fact, it seems to me that there are too many "old" players who have not retired. I have had many players in their 40's most of whom are upper level players but not necessarily superstars.

07-28-2008, 09:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
theoutlaw321 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Well I have recently purchased the game, and have a league set up starting in 1988. I unretired several hundred low end guys to fill my minors up. And I too have a tremendous amount of retirements. I unretire them and they get signed. Then a minor league finishes its season and they mass retire again. Is there something that I am doing wrong as far as the intitial settings that I began with? Any help would be appreciated.

07-28-2008, 09:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pronkytonk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 81 Thanks: 17 Thanked 8x in 3 posts	IMO it is a lack of playing opportunities that causes these players around 30 years of age to retire. If they can't get a job that looks adequate to what they achieved in their career so far, they will retire after a while. Adding independent leagues or additional minor league levels may help, but I haven't tried this yet. Unretiring guys to fill up your minor league rosters does not work properly because the players have played in the majors before and consider the jobs you assign them to as inappropriate so they prefer to retire instead of hanging around in A or AA for an extended period of time.

07-28-2008, 10:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
BeachBum Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Copalis Beach, WA Posts: 186 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	When you say you unretired several hundred players, this implies that you either imported the full history or have simmed for a few years to get to where you are. Otherwise, there aren't this number of players available. If you are in your first year, your minors (I'm not sure how many levels you have) are not full as you only get the players that actually played in the majors that year. It takes a few years to build up the total number of players available. I have had some years when there were only 5-8 players in the minors per team. Also, have you actually "seen" these players retire or just found that they had retired? You get messages toward the end of the season which of your players are retiring. That way you can see how many and who are retiring.

08-02-2008, 11:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
clamel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 664 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	I haven´t messed with these, but I am using the "standard". Perhaps an increase of last year and 2 years ago will help. I´m not sure on this. However the values about fewer innings and AB when you create the dynasty. Weaken players with less at bats and so on. This could be a factor. What one see is that many "cup-of-coffee" players gets opening day starts or in the rotation with high rankings. These players block out many true veteran good pitchers and players. Any ideas on how to really lesser these players qualities so that they more often are used as they did in history. To come up in the majors if a star player was injured or likewise. I think that these parttimers might even stick around longer and not retire weeks after being released. Any messing with % stuff and such should help BUT how will the best setup be then ???