Help jumpstarting a 1871 historical league

jduteau · 04-06-2009, 06:43 PM

I'm wondering if someone can help me with a 1871 league that I want to start. It seems that OOTP broke the pre-1901 historical leagues with the latest patch. It might not be that way for everyone but it certainly is for me and others who have reported the bug. I just got word that this will not be fixed for OOTP9 and *may* be fixed for OOTP10. So I'm hoping that someone who *can* create historical leagues in 1871 could do this for me.

If you need more details, please ask, but I think that I'd be more than willing to get a generic 1871 league and then tweak it afterwards.

Thanks in advance,

Jean

BaseballMan · 04-06-2009, 08:09 PM

What do you mean broke? They work for me. Granted there are some things that ootp cant do because of odd number of teams and where there is no data in the record books for some stats, but its far from broke. You can certainly tweak it and actually i would advise that you do.

jduteau · 04-06-2009, 08:16 PM

No, it's actually broken for some of us. I don't know why or what changed to break it, but at least OOTP management acknowledges that it breaks for some of us (BZ 2029 refers to the logged issue) such that we can't create any league prior to 1901.

That's why I was asking for help - if you or anyone else can actually create an 1871 historical league, zip up the files and send them to me, I could work around the problem.

To explain how it is broken - if I pick 1871 as the start year, OOTP creates the league with two subleagues. But the real 9 teams are placed in the NL in one division and no teams are placed in the AL with no divisions. That is not how it is supposed to work - with 4 teams in the AL and 4 teams in the NL. With 1871, you get a "odd number of teams" and since you can't change the league structure, you're stuck. I tried a different year that would have an even number of teams, but that just gets you "different number of divisions in each league, must be the same". Again, since you can't change the league structure, you're stuck.

And since it doesn't use the actual CSV files to generate pre-1901 leagues, you can't change the behaviour.

As I said above, though, this doesn't seem to affect everyone. But it does affect me. I even installed OOTP freshly on a new computer to see if it was something I had screwed up, but it wasn't.

Jean

plannine · 04-06-2009, 10:35 PM

Using one of the modified Databases, I have not had any problems (Gambo, Garlon or Spritze) with the import.

BaseballMan · 04-06-2009, 10:49 PM

Did you try taking out that historical.odb file in the stats folder? Not sure what that files is for but it always works when i remove it.

plannine · 04-06-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Did you try taking out that historical.odb file in the stats folder? Not sure what that files is for but it always works when i remove it.

That works too...........

BaseballMan · 04-07-2009, 12:18 AM

yeah im not sure what taht file is for but i know it just seems to screw things up. I know it doesnt save any changes i make to the teams file if i leave it in.
Is it the original teams file from the lahman database? thats the only thing i can think of as to why there would be 9 teams in the NL when you start in 1871.

jduteau · 04-07-2009, 01:02 AM

Yes! Removing the odb file worked. I'll my Technical Support email with the fix. Thanks BaseballMan!

Jean

BaseballMan · 04-07-2009, 02:54 AM

Your welcome. Now you can move on to all the other problems with 19th century leagues. Just kidding. But after you set your league up, i would make a backup before you even draft. If possible you might want to make a backup each year. You definetly want to run some tests first.

elfdog428 · 04-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Not to jump the thread but cant seem to find an answer on the forums anywhere.

Does or is there a fix for the same thing problem for OOTP 8. I looked to see if your fix mentioned here would help but cant find that odb file in any of my downloaded databases.

Just figured maybe yall would have an idea of a way to fix that in 08 too.

Thanks

jduteau · 04-08-2009, 07:17 PM

As far as I understand, the odb file was included with the database that shipped with OOTP9. I don't know if OOTP8 included the ability to make historical leagues as far back as 1871 - to get around some of the game's limitations, the initial creation for pre-1901 leagues is different than history. If that was new to OOTP9, then this won't work for OOTP8.

BaseballMan · 04-08-2009, 10:10 PM

I think the option to start an 1871 league only began in ootp9.
When you create an historical league it should have 1871-2008 Leagues started in 1871 must have a draft. If it just say choose any year from 1901-2007. You have to use the long work around.

yaablett · 05-28-2009, 06:30 AM

I have just updated OOTP9 to the latest version (9.2.13), and have tried to start a historical league from 1871 and get the uneven number of teams error. I have deleted the .odb file as suggested, but it still does not work. Any more suggestions?

As an aside, upon updating, I can no longer access my earlier saved games from OOTP9, but the website tells me I should be able to. I had a fictional Australian league going and don't want to lose it. Again, any suggestions?

Cheers!

Garlon · 06-03-2009, 11:08 AM

The last patch for OOTP9 broke the 1871 starting ability. The teams csv file got replaced with the raw lahman file instead of the custom file.

1871-1900 imports have returned with OOTP10.

AZTarHeel · 06-18-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garlon

The last patch for OOTP9 broke the 1871 starting ability. The teams csv file got replaced with the raw lahman file instead of the custom file.

1871-1900 imports have returned with OOTP10.

you're kidding me? there is no work around for this in OOTP9 ? that royally stinks ...

AZTarHeel · 06-21-2009, 05:16 PM

i still have OOTP8 on my computer. does that go back to 1871? I can't remember ... if so, maybe I can start an 1871 league with OOTP8 and then move that into OOTP9 ...

Cryomaniac · 06-21-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTarHeel

you're kidding me? there is no work around for this in OOTP9 ? that royally stinks ...

Well, you could do it manually, but it would be a lot of work.

AZTarHeel · 06-21-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Well, you could do it manually, but it would be a lot of work.

how would you do it manually -- start fictional in 1871, then import each player one by one? I wouldn't have a problem doing it one time if the game would then pick up every other year after that like normal ...

I just got excited about doing a real players-fictional teams dynasty again and wanted to start in the 1870s and got really bummed when I learned that I couldn't unless I upgraded to OOTP10...

BaseballMan · 06-21-2009, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTarHeel

how would you do it manually -- start fictional in 1871, then import each player one by one? I wouldn't have a problem doing it one time if the game would then pick up every other year after that like normal

Actually the answer is simple but may take a little planning.
I have the latest ootp9 version and it works for me.
All you need to do is make sure that you have all teams in the teams csv file to be either AL or NL. The game wont import if you have NA. I just downloaded the latest Lahman database and tried it. So i know it works.

But you must also have an even # of teams. So you will need to keep in mind that you need an even # of teams for the expansion draft when you expand your league. Also there were only like 6 real teams in 1877 so your either gonna have 2 teams in one league or you will have to add some fictional teams.

I have edited the teams file if you want to try it. From there you could make your own changes.

AZTarHeel · 06-21-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Actually the answer is simple but may take a little planning.
I have the latest ootp9 version and it works for me.
All you need to do is make sure that you have all teams in the teams csv file to be either AL or NL. The game wont import if you have NA. I just downloaded the latest Lahman database and tried it. So i know it works.

But you must also have an even # of teams. So you will need to keep in mind that you need an even # of teams for the expansion draft when you expand your league. Also there were only like 6 real teams in 1877 so your either gonna have 2 teams in one league or you will have to add some fictional teams.

I have edited the teams file if you want to try it. From there you could make your own changes.

I'd love it! Thanks...

04-06-2009, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
jduteau Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Help jumpstarting a 1871 historical league I'm wondering if someone can help me with a 1871 league that I want to start. It seems that OOTP broke the pre-1901 historical leagues with the latest patch. It might not be that way for everyone but it certainly is for me and others who have reported the bug. I just got word that this will not be fixed for OOTP9 and may be fixed for OOTP10. So I'm hoping that someone who can create historical leagues in 1871 could do this for me. If you need more details, please ask, but I think that I'd be more than willing to get a generic 1871 league and then tweak it afterwards. Thanks in advance, Jean

04-06-2009, 10:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
plannine Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 489 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6x in 6 posts	Using one of the modified Databases, I have not had any problems (Gambo, Garlon or Spritze) with the import. __________________ Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa - Casey Stengel

04-08-2009, 06:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
elfdog428 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 76 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Not to jump the thread but cant seem to find an answer on the forums anywhere. Does or is there a fix for the same thing problem for OOTP 8. I looked to see if your fix mentioned here would help but cant find that odb file in any of my downloaded databases. Just figured maybe yall would have an idea of a way to fix that in 08 too. Thanks __________________ Indians and Pirates Fan UFBL Pirates

05-28-2009, 06:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
yaablett Bat Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	that old chestnut.... I have just updated OOTP9 to the latest version (9.2.13), and have tried to start a historical league from 1871 and get the uneven number of teams error. I have deleted the .odb file as suggested, but it still does not work. Any more suggestions? As an aside, upon updating, I can no longer access my earlier saved games from OOTP9, but the website tells me I should be able to. I had a fictional Australian league going and don't want to lose it. Again, any suggestions? Cheers!

06-21-2009, 05:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
AZTarHeel All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,488 Thanks: 9 Thanked 9x in 8 posts	i still have OOTP8 on my computer. does that go back to 1871? I can't remember ... if so, maybe I can start an 1871 league with OOTP8 and then move that into OOTP9 ... __________________ AzTarHeel's dynasty works: The Arizona League 3.0: Historical players in the Grand Canyon state Tall Tales: The Andrew Zarzour Story Baseball In The Tar Heel State: A Fictional Experience Win At All Costs: The 2004 Boston Red Sox The Arizona League: Real Players. Fictional Teams

04-06-2009, 08:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	What do you mean broke? They work for me. Granted there are some things that ootp cant do because of odd number of teams and where there is no data in the record books for some stats, but its far from broke. You can certainly tweak it and actually i would advise that you do.

04-06-2009, 08:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
jduteau Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	No, it's actually broken for some of us. I don't know why or what changed to break it, but at least OOTP management acknowledges that it breaks for some of us (BZ 2029 refers to the logged issue) such that we can't create any league prior to 1901. That's why I was asking for help - if you or anyone else can actually create an 1871 historical league, zip up the files and send them to me, I could work around the problem. To explain how it is broken - if I pick 1871 as the start year, OOTP creates the league with two subleagues. But the real 9 teams are placed in the NL in one division and no teams are placed in the AL with no divisions. That is not how it is supposed to work - with 4 teams in the AL and 4 teams in the NL. With 1871, you get a "odd number of teams" and since you can't change the league structure, you're stuck. I tried a different year that would have an even number of teams, but that just gets you "different number of divisions in each league, must be the same". Again, since you can't change the league structure, you're stuck. And since it doesn't use the actual CSV files to generate pre-1901 leagues, you can't change the behaviour. As I said above, though, this doesn't seem to affect everyone. But it does affect me. I even installed OOTP freshly on a new computer to see if it was something I had screwed up, but it wasn't. Jean

04-06-2009, 10:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	Did you try taking out that historical.odb file in the stats folder? Not sure what that files is for but it always works when i remove it.

04-07-2009, 12:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	yeah im not sure what taht file is for but i know it just seems to screw things up. I know it doesnt save any changes i make to the teams file if i leave it in. Is it the original teams file from the lahman database? thats the only thing i can think of as to why there would be 9 teams in the NL when you start in 1871.

04-07-2009, 01:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
jduteau Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Yes! Removing the odb file worked. I'll my Technical Support email with the fix. Thanks BaseballMan! Jean

04-07-2009, 02:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	Your welcome. Now you can move on to all the other problems with 19th century leagues. Just kidding. But after you set your league up, i would make a backup before you even draft. If possible you might want to make a backup each year. You definetly want to run some tests first.

04-08-2009, 07:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
jduteau Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	As far as I understand, the odb file was included with the database that shipped with OOTP9. I don't know if OOTP8 included the ability to make historical leagues as far back as 1871 - to get around some of the game's limitations, the initial creation for pre-1901 leagues is different than history. If that was new to OOTP9, then this won't work for OOTP8.

04-08-2009, 10:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	I think the option to start an 1871 league only began in ootp9. When you create an historical league it should have 1871-2008 Leagues started in 1871 must have a draft. If it just say choose any year from 1901-2007. You have to use the long work around.

06-03-2009, 11:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
Garlon All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,551 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52x in 26 posts	The last patch for OOTP9 broke the 1871 starting ability. The teams csv file got replaced with the raw lahman file instead of the custom file. 1871-1900 imports have returned with OOTP10.

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