Historical Minor League Question

SkinnyDoc · 06-07-2009, 07:19 PM

I am going to start my historical league in 1901 and was going to try and have all of the minor leagues if I can.

I was wondering how the game would handle callups (if it can) if all minor league teams are set to "none" affiliation? Would I have to "callup" players manually?

I believe St. Louis and Detroit had the first affiliations in 1919?

Spritze · 06-07-2009, 10:07 PM

Question 1 is true as is Q number 2

SkinnyDoc · 06-08-2009, 08:18 PM

Thanks for the reply.

What I'm going to actually try and do is create each league as a separate entity, with no affiliation with a "parent" league at all.

That way I can add, delete, and restructure the minor leagues as needed.

I do have a few questions for you baseball gurus.

Back before minor league teams were affiliated, did the major league teams simply "buy" a player from a minor league team and/or would that player have to "try out" for a team?

How would OOTPX handle this situation with regards to real major league players being sent down? I believe the game still imports a player the year of their major league debut; so if there were no "minor teams" to send players down too would the AI simply release them as free agents? I could then assign them to a minor league team if needed i guess.

Thanks again in advance for any help or suggestions.

Spritze · 06-08-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyDoc

Back before minor league teams were affiliated, did the major league teams simply "buy" a player from a minor league team and/or would that player have to "try out" for a team?

They could buy players for cash, or even trade with the independant minor league teams. Quite often a major league team would trade with a minor league team and include both players and cash. No try outs per se, but if a player didn't pan out he might be traded or sold back to his original minor league team.

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Originally Posted by SkinnyDoc

How would OOTPX handle this situation with regards to real major league players being sent down? I believe the game still imports a player the year of their major league debut; so if there were no "minor teams" to send players down too would the AI simply release them as free agents? I could then assign them to a minor league team if needed i guess. Thanks again in advance for any help or suggestions.

This question interests me. I do not know of anyone who has tried this. Please post back here when you know what OOTP does in this situation.

Le Grande Orange · 06-09-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyDoc

Back before minor league teams were affiliated, did the major league teams simply "buy" a player from a minor league team and/or would that player have to "try out" for a team?

Just something to note, but the farm system existed even in the 19th century, albeit in a different form. Back then, the way a major league club would work with a minor league club to get the players it wanted was by either buying outright the minor league club, or by using "pick of the club" agreements. ("Pick of the club" deals involved the major league club sending an extra player it had signed to the minor league club for the entire season in exchange for selecting any player from the minor roster after the end of the season.)

In short, major league clubs have nearly always tried to create some sort of farm system.

SkinnyDoc · 06-10-2009, 02:23 PM

Hmmm, thanks Le Grande. I was actually going to use fictional players to fill the minors (I didn't want to do that) but based on your information I feel better about going ahead and affiliating some minor league teams with a major league team.

I really like the ease of switching teams from league to league and rearranging leagues (not sure if this is an improvement from OOTP9 as I didn't play it that much).

Hopefully will get the league started tonight or tomorrow as I have most of my mods, photos, logos, and minor leagues created. Thanks again.

thehef · 06-10-2009, 03:16 PM

A couple of notes on this, SkinnyDog:

1. I don't know if this applies to what you're doing, but when I started a historical league in 1901, with several levels of minors, using fictional players to fill out rosters, and having some teams affiliated with majors and some not, I found that the ones not affiliated with the majors had markedly lower batting avgs (and other stats) and were therefore less successful. Details are in this thread - majors fine, but inaccurate minors totals - beginning with post #7.

2. In another historical league that I started in 1901, using the Spritze/Garlon 750-neutralized db (and no fictional players), I added a 16-team AAA (each team affiliated w one majors team) beginning in 1910 and had plenty of players from the reserve rosters and free agents list to fill out the AAA rosters. I'm now in 1913 and have enough players on minor-league rosters and in the free agent ranks to where I'm planning on adding another minor (or major) league (probably an 8-team AAA but possible an 8-team major-league, sorta like the Federal League).

All of the above is version 9, NOT X. So I don't know if any of this helps, but fyi...

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SkinnyDoc Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Historical Minor League Question I am going to start my historical league in 1901 and was going to try and have all of the minor leagues if I can. I was wondering how the game would handle callups (if it can) if all minor league teams are set to "none" affiliation? Would I have to "callup" players manually? I believe St. Louis and Detroit had the first affiliations in 1919?

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SkinnyDoc Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Hmmm, thanks Le Grande. I was actually going to use fictional players to fill the minors (I didn't want to do that) but based on your information I feel better about going ahead and affiliating some minor league teams with a major league team. I really like the ease of switching teams from league to league and rearranging leagues (not sure if this is an improvement from OOTP9 as I didn't play it that much). Hopefully will get the league started tonight or tomorrow as I have most of my mods, photos, logos, and minor leagues created. Thanks again. Last edited by SkinnyDoc; 06-10-2009 at 02:24 PM.

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SkinnyDoc Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks for the reply. What I'm going to actually try and do is create each league as a separate entity, with no affiliation with a "parent" league at all. That way I can add, delete, and restructure the minor leagues as needed. I do have a few questions for you baseball gurus. Back before minor league teams were affiliated, did the major league teams simply "buy" a player from a minor league team and/or would that player have to "try out" for a team? How would OOTPX handle this situation with regards to real major league players being sent down? I believe the game still imports a player the year of their major league debut; so if there were no "minor teams" to send players down too would the AI simply release them as free agents? I could then assign them to a minor league team if needed i guess. Thanks again in advance for any help or suggestions.

06-10-2009, 03:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
thehef Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 407 Thanks: 87 Thanked 31x in 27 posts	A couple of notes on this, SkinnyDog: 1. I don't know if this applies to what you're doing, but when I started a historical league in 1901, with several levels of minors, using fictional players to fill out rosters, and having some teams affiliated with majors and some not, I found that the ones not affiliated with the majors had markedly lower batting avgs (and other stats) and were therefore less successful. Details are in this thread - majors fine, but inaccurate minors totals - beginning with post #7. 2. In another historical league that I started in 1901, using the Spritze/Garlon 750-neutralized db (and no fictional players), I added a 16-team AAA (each team affiliated w one majors team) beginning in 1910 and had plenty of players from the reserve rosters and free agents list to fill out the AAA rosters. I'm now in 1913 and have enough players on minor-league rosters and in the free agent ranks to where I'm planning on adding another minor (or major) league (probably an 8-team AAA but possible an 8-team major-league, sorta like the Federal League). All of the above is version 9, NOT X. So I don't know if any of this helps, but fyi...