Recalc / Semi-historical defensive issue

pbar25 · 06-21-2009, 05:05 AM

Problem Description
Version: patched
PC/MAC: PC
What were you doing? I'm running two leagues side by side.
One with historical real players, one with fictional players.
One league has recalc on, while the fictional player league has recalc off.
All other settings are the same, to run historically.

Each season there is a promotion & relegation between the two leagues.
At various times, fictional players will be within the historical league.

What happened?
When fictional players are part of teams that are promoted into the historical league with recalc on, their defensive ratings are given severe adjustments downward over time. After a season or two they all become 0's or 1's (1-10 scale) and lose all defensive abilities.

Reproducible? Yes
I had expected fictional players to be able to exist within a recalc league, and they'd just be ignored by it. It appears if you have recalc on with fictional players, it's just not compatible.

Tony M · 06-29-2009, 04:50 AM

I'm going to move this one to the historical forum as the historical experts tend to hang around there more.

SteveP · 06-29-2009, 01:05 PM

Actually, you might want to post in Technical. Someone would have to run a test to see if there was a bug. I can think of reasons why some fictionals might have significant rating changes in this situation, but not why it would happen to all of them.

SandMan · 06-29-2009, 04:15 PM

I think it has something to do with fictional players coming to the historical league. There are no fielding ratings/stats in the database when it comes time for the recalc in the historcal league, so the game just makes them terrible. Players in the fictional league have no recalc so they will remain with the fielding stats assigned when created. I hope this makes sense.

SandMan · 06-29-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbar25

It appears if you have recalc on with fictional players, it's just not compatible.

I think you hit it right on the head. With no stats to recalc fictional players the game makes them bad/terrible players.

Spritze · 06-29-2009, 06:22 PM

The Sixth OOTP Commandment is:

Thou shalt not recalc thy fictional players.

SteveP · 06-29-2009, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

The Sixth OOTP Commandment is:

Thou shalt not recalc thy fictional players.

Which means what, exactly? If you have a player who extends in the game past his historical retirement, do his ratings go all screwy because there is nothing to recalc from? And why would it affect only fielding?

Spritze · 06-29-2009, 08:08 PM

Recalc reads from a (non-existant for fictional players) historical Lahman file.
Non-Recalc uses the standard OOTP player development engine.

You can have development on and recalc on at the same time but you may get highly unusual statisical results.

Historical players that play beyond their career end pretty much keep the ratings of thier last real life year but ageing eventually wears them down, Unless you have both development and recalc on of course. Then it's a crapshoot.

SteveP · 06-29-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

You can have development on and recalc on at the same time but you may get highly unusual statisical results.

Highly unusual is probably a subjective view of things.

Be that as it may, the OP appears to have discovered a definite bug that got into OOTP10 at some point. Fielding was kind of left in a rather ragged state at the conclusion of beta, so maybe we are starting to see some consequences from that.

06-21-2009, 05:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
pbar25 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 334 Thanked 6x in 5 posts	Recalc / Semi-historical defensive issue Problem Description Version: patched PC/MAC: PC What were you doing? I'm running two leagues side by side. One with historical real players, one with fictional players. One league has recalc on, while the fictional player league has recalc off. All other settings are the same, to run historically. Each season there is a promotion & relegation between the two leagues. At various times, fictional players will be within the historical league. What happened? When fictional players are part of teams that are promoted into the historical league with recalc on, their defensive ratings are given severe adjustments downward over time. After a season or two they all become 0's or 1's (1-10 scale) and lose all defensive abilities. Reproducible? Yes I had expected fictional players to be able to exist within a recalc league, and they'd just be ignored by it. It appears if you have recalc on with fictional players, it's just not compatible. __________________ New York Mets - Asahi2 Baseball

06-29-2009, 04:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,078 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 299x in 172 posts	I'm going to move this one to the historical forum as the historical experts tend to hang around there more. __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

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06-29-2009, 01:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	Actually, you might want to post in Technical. Someone would have to run a test to see if there was a bug. I can think of reasons why some fictionals might have significant rating changes in this situation, but not why it would happen to all of them.

06-29-2009, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Kenosha, Wisconsin Posts: 2,303 Thanked 101x in 76 posts	I think it has something to do with fictional players coming to the historical league. There are no fielding ratings/stats in the database when it comes time for the recalc in the historcal league, so the game just makes them terrible. Players in the fictional league have no recalc so they will remain with the fielding stats assigned when created. I hope this makes sense.

06-29-2009, 06:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	The Sixth OOTP Commandment is: Thou shalt not recalc thy fictional players.

06-29-2009, 08:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	Recalc reads from a (non-existant for fictional players) historical Lahman file. Non-Recalc uses the standard OOTP player development engine. You can have development on and recalc on at the same time but you may get highly unusual statisical results. Historical players that play beyond their career end pretty much keep the ratings of thier last real life year but ageing eventually wears them down, Unless you have both development and recalc on of course. Then it's a crapshoot.