Determining Rookie Ratings for starting year of historical simulations

tpaine · 08-21-2009, 01:20 AM

Apologies in advance if this has been covered elsewhere -- I am currently running an historical simulation of the 1936 major league season and was wondering how OOTP 10 determines player ratings for 1936 rookies. Joe DiMaggio, one of the rookies that year, not surprisingly has glowing scouting reports and good ratings. Other rookies, like Brooklyn's Buddy Hassett, have scouting reports and ratings that are more earthbound. It did not look like the game showed minor league stats for the rookies, so I was wondering whether the ratings are based on looking back on a player's real life career performance and especially his real life rookie year -- or something else.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

SteveP · 08-21-2009, 01:48 PM

Rookie ratings are determined the same way as other players, with a slight twist. In the case of other players, their ratings are usually calculated from their stats over a three-year period sandwiching the season you start playing (though one-year and five-year calc methods are also choices you can make). In the case of rookies, the calculation can only be based on two years -- the year they start playing and the following year (again assuming the three-year calc method has been chosen). Rookie ratings are more likely to be poorly representative of their real talents -- either too high or too low. Of course, if you use the recalc option for your league, these extremes get brought back into line in future seasons.

tpaine · 08-21-2009, 02:40 PM

Thanks, that helps.

What prompted my question was the notion that you may have two rookies both of whom had very strong minor league careers and comparable promise going into their rookie seasons but then one rookie goes on to a very productive and long career while the other flames out in a season or less.

The reason for the latter's flame out may be that he simply could not cut it in the big leagues, he caught a bad break, or both. It would seem to me that, without considering the minor league records of the players, when you run the sims for the rookie season for both these rookies, almost invariably, the minor league phenom who actually made it in the big leagues in real life, will have a good year in the sim for that year and future simulated years, while the minor league phenom who didn't, won't, the latter possibly being relegated to a bench role because of his poor real life stat and so not getting enough plate appearances to make a difference. Again, this may be warranted because the rookie with the worse real life stats may be a less talented player or it may be because he got injured or otherwise caught a bad break.

I wonder whether a fix to this would be to factor in real life, pre-rookie year minor league stats on a discounted basis. Has this been done?

Anyway, thank you again for your reply.

SteveP · 08-21-2009, 02:46 PM

There are no minor league stats in the database used to create the players. There are only major league stats.

08-21-2009, 01:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
tpaine Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Determining Rookie Ratings for starting year of historical simulations Apologies in advance if this has been covered elsewhere -- I am currently running an historical simulation of the 1936 major league season and was wondering how OOTP 10 determines player ratings for 1936 rookies. Joe DiMaggio, one of the rookies that year, not surprisingly has glowing scouting reports and good ratings. Other rookies, like Brooklyn's Buddy Hassett, have scouting reports and ratings that are more earthbound. It did not look like the game showed minor league stats for the rookies, so I was wondering whether the ratings are based on looking back on a player's real life career performance and especially his real life rookie year -- or something else. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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08-21-2009, 01:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	Rookie ratings are determined the same way as other players, with a slight twist. In the case of other players, their ratings are usually calculated from their stats over a three-year period sandwiching the season you start playing (though one-year and five-year calc methods are also choices you can make). In the case of rookies, the calculation can only be based on two years -- the year they start playing and the following year (again assuming the three-year calc method has been chosen). Rookie ratings are more likely to be poorly representative of their real talents -- either too high or too low. Of course, if you use the recalc option for your league, these extremes get brought back into line in future seasons.

08-21-2009, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
tpaine Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks, that helps. What prompted my question was the notion that you may have two rookies both of whom had very strong minor league careers and comparable promise going into their rookie seasons but then one rookie goes on to a very productive and long career while the other flames out in a season or less. The reason for the latter's flame out may be that he simply could not cut it in the big leagues, he caught a bad break, or both. It would seem to me that, without considering the minor league records of the players, when you run the sims for the rookie season for both these rookies, almost invariably, the minor league phenom who actually made it in the big leagues in real life, will have a good year in the sim for that year and future simulated years, while the minor league phenom who didn't, won't, the latter possibly being relegated to a bench role because of his poor real life stat and so not getting enough plate appearances to make a difference. Again, this may be warranted because the rookie with the worse real life stats may be a less talented player or it may be because he got injured or otherwise caught a bad break. I wonder whether a fix to this would be to factor in real life, pre-rookie year minor league stats on a discounted basis. Has this been done? Anyway, thank you again for your reply.

08-21-2009, 02:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	There are no minor league stats in the database used to create the players. There are only major league stats.