Historical League Player rating progression

Essekks · 08-02-2007, 03:40 PM

When continuing with a team in a historical league season after season, do the player ratings change to reflect how they actual did year to year? For example, I start with all current teams and rosters in 1983 and work thru the year (making trades, adding free agents, etc). then have a regular offseason with my team and continue on thru the winter and start the next season. IRL Andre Dawson had his knee injury and his batting average, HRs and stolen bases in '84 dropped considerably. Will his ratings in my 1984 season go way down? or will they take the unknown road that the typical fictional players take?

(This was a difficult thing to explain, but I hope you get the jist of my question)

BaseballMan · 08-02-2007, 03:58 PM

If you use the recalculate ratings feature there is more of chance that players like Ruth & Koufax will perform like they did in real life. Ruth will move from pitcher and start hitting hrs and Koufax will start slow but then have some of the greatest seasons ever. So thats probably what you want to turn on.

Otherwise the players have to develop and Ruth may just become just an average pitcher. Still it doesnt guarantee that Ruth will hit 700 hrs it just puts his ratings careerwise more in the ballpark range. You still have other factors like injuries, team depth etc but with the recalc feature theres less chance of say a Mookie Wilson becoming a Hank Aaron and more chance that Hank Aaron will become Hank Aaron. But now when players reach the point where their career ended in real life, i thin the the players development takes over since the game has no stats to recalculate for ratings.

Essekks · 08-02-2007, 05:11 PM

I did use "recalculate ratings". So in essence - I kind of have a "crystal ball" of how players will perform in the future, correct? Thus it would be in my best interest to think twice about signing Andre Dawson for the '84 season?

Is it possible to turn this setting off in mid stream? I would like to play out some of the "what would have been if he hadn't gotten injured" scenerios.

Charlie Hough · 08-02-2007, 06:20 PM

Historical injuries have no effect on OOTP ratings. If a player missed half the season due to injury, he's not going to have really low ratings. If he posted his usual statistics while he was healthy, then his ratings will remain largely unaffected.

The only time that ratings will decrease dramatically is if the player suffered an injury that dropped him to really low at-bats or innings pitched, and only if you've set the recalculation to be based on a single year from the database and not three years. It's best to use the three year option.

injury log · 08-02-2007, 06:32 PM

True, but it's possible he's referring to players whose careers took a dramatic downturn after injury, and such players will certainly be affected by recalc.

Charlie Hough · 08-02-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

True, but it's possible he's referring to players whose careers took a dramatic downturn after injury, and such players will certainly be affected by recalc.

I don't think so. He cited Andre Dawson as an example. I'd say that Dawson's injury for 1984 didn't exactly hold him back from his MVP award in 1987.

injury log · 08-02-2007, 08:38 PM

Yes, indeed, you are correct. By way of explaining what must seem like utter stupidity on my part, I was focusing on the line:

"I would like to play out some of the "what would have been if he hadn't gotten injured" scenerios."

without, of course, reading the earlier part of the thread too carefully.

Essekks · 08-02-2007, 09:07 PM

Actually, I just used Dawson as an example because I couldnt think of anyone else at the time. Another example with be Fydrich. I would like to use the proper setting so that If I had started my league with Fydrich in his phenom season, I could keep playing season after season - and there would be that chance that the AI keeps him going strong for years.

So what Id really like is to have the Historical Stats for the season in which I start playing, but the "artificial" changes of ratings as seasons play on. (So I dont have an unfair advantage, knowing to dump Fydrich before his ratings go down)

Charlie Hough · 08-02-2007, 10:49 PM

Then you simply need to do the initial import but turn off the recalculation of ratings. You may end up with quite a random univere in the end, but you'll certainly eliminate some of the advantage you're speaking about.

BaseballMan · 08-03-2007, 01:14 PM

But doesnt the player development take over when the player has no more real stats to recalculate ratings on? If so then how would you know Fydrich's ratings would go down?

Curtis · 08-03-2007, 05:26 PM

I assume his ratings would go down because he kept playing after his injury, posting terrible numbers in 1979 and 80.

08-02-2007, 03:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Essekks Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Historical League Player rating progression When continuing with a team in a historical league season after season, do the player ratings change to reflect how they actual did year to year? For example, I start with all current teams and rosters in 1983 and work thru the year (making trades, adding free agents, etc). then have a regular offseason with my team and continue on thru the winter and start the next season. IRL Andre Dawson had his knee injury and his batting average, HRs and stolen bases in '84 dropped considerably. Will his ratings in my 1984 season go way down? or will they take the unknown road that the typical fictional players take? (This was a difficult thing to explain, but I hope you get the jist of my question)

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Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,530 Thanks: 1 Thanked 108x in 91 posts	I assume his ratings would go down because he kept playing after his injury, posting terrible numbers in 1979 and 80. __________________ 2012 — The year for Inside The Park 2!

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08-02-2007, 03:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	If you use the recalculate ratings feature there is more of chance that players like Ruth & Koufax will perform like they did in real life. Ruth will move from pitcher and start hitting hrs and Koufax will start slow but then have some of the greatest seasons ever. So thats probably what you want to turn on. Otherwise the players have to develop and Ruth may just become just an average pitcher. Still it doesnt guarantee that Ruth will hit 700 hrs it just puts his ratings careerwise more in the ballpark range. You still have other factors like injuries, team depth etc but with the recalc feature theres less chance of say a Mookie Wilson becoming a Hank Aaron and more chance that Hank Aaron will become Hank Aaron. But now when players reach the point where their career ended in real life, i thin the the players development takes over since the game has no stats to recalculate for ratings.

08-02-2007, 05:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Essekks Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I did use "recalculate ratings". So in essence - I kind of have a "crystal ball" of how players will perform in the future, correct? Thus it would be in my best interest to think twice about signing Andre Dawson for the '84 season? Is it possible to turn this setting off in mid stream? I would like to play out some of the "what would have been if he hadn't gotten injured" scenerios.

08-02-2007, 06:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Charlie Hough All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,880 Thanks: 58 Thanked 427x in 227 posts	Historical injuries have no effect on OOTP ratings. If a player missed half the season due to injury, he's not going to have really low ratings. If he posted his usual statistics while he was healthy, then his ratings will remain largely unaffected. The only time that ratings will decrease dramatically is if the player suffered an injury that dropped him to really low at-bats or innings pitched, and only if you've set the recalculation to be based on a single year from the database and not three years. It's best to use the three year option.

08-02-2007, 06:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	True, but it's possible he's referring to players whose careers took a dramatic downturn after injury, and such players will certainly be affected by recalc.

08-02-2007, 08:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	Yes, indeed, you are correct. By way of explaining what must seem like utter stupidity on my part, I was focusing on the line: "I would like to play out some of the "what would have been if he hadn't gotten injured" scenerios." without, of course, reading the earlier part of the thread too carefully.

08-02-2007, 09:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Essekks Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Actually, I just used Dawson as an example because I couldnt think of anyone else at the time. Another example with be Fydrich. I would like to use the proper setting so that If I had started my league with Fydrich in his phenom season, I could keep playing season after season - and there would be that chance that the AI keeps him going strong for years. So what Id really like is to have the Historical Stats for the season in which I start playing, but the "artificial" changes of ratings as seasons play on. (So I dont have an unfair advantage, knowing to dump Fydrich before his ratings go down)

08-02-2007, 10:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Charlie Hough All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,880 Thanks: 58 Thanked 427x in 227 posts	Then you simply need to do the initial import but turn off the recalculation of ratings. You may end up with quite a random univere in the end, but you'll certainly eliminate some of the advantage you're speaking about.

08-03-2007, 01:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	But doesnt the player development take over when the player has no more real stats to recalculate ratings on? If so then how would you know Fydrich's ratings would go down?