team/coach/scout strategies question

natlpasttime · 08-22-2007, 03:53 PM

I haven't been able to find info on this through searching. Will changing my team strategy, coach strategy and scouting strategy actually change the way they run the game and scout the players?
I'm wanting to change all my strategies to favor OBG rather than AVG and I want the computer scouts to look for those types of players come draft time as well.
Thanks

injury log · 08-23-2007, 04:30 AM

I'd be interested to know as well how much of a difference these sliders make, and which aspects of gameplay they influence. I recently ran a quick controlled test with the Manager sliders (favor speed/favor power, etc), and it made no difference to how my lineups were constructed.

natlpasttime · 08-23-2007, 06:54 PM

This is what I am beginning to fear. The silence from anyone else regarding this matter also seems to indicate the sliders might not make any difference at all. And if that's the case, it's a major disappointment.

injury log · 08-23-2007, 07:17 PM

I should clarify- I expect the sliders do make some difference. I'm just not sure exactly in which areas of the game. My tests (which were done quickly) suggest the sliders don't affect lineups and depth charts, which I found surprising. This seems to be the reason why the Bench Coach and Manager always produce the same lineups and depth charts.

I expect scouts' preferences will be influenced by slider settings, but this is something I've never tested. Am curious if anyone knows for sure.

OldFatGuy · 08-29-2007, 07:31 PM

In a related matter, in terms of managers/coaches. Couldn't find it, but I'm sure it's been discussed. I'm noticing on ALL the teams the best teaching coaches are in the majors. This seems counter-intuitive to me. Managers/coaches are rated in 6 areas, teach hitting/pitching/fielding and handling rookies/veterans/players. It seems to me those last 3 are more important for the bigs, but the first three, the teaching aspects, wouldn't you want your BEST TEACHERS in the minors???? If I move my best teachers down to the minors, is that like a demotion and will lead to unhappiness/resignations???

What am I missing here? I thought the essence of the minors was the teaching/learning going on to get players prepared for the majors. Seems like you'd want the best teachers there.

EDIT: I guess what I'm asking is this: In terms of player development in OOTP 2007, is it better to have your best teachers at the major league level or the minor league level or it really makes no difference as long as they are somewhere in the organization??

natlpasttime · 08-30-2007, 03:09 AM

You make a good point. I would think you would want your best teachers in the minors. It would seem to me a player wouldn't be good enough to reach the majors until the player has learned enough at the lower levels to be major league caliber.

emcgman · 08-30-2007, 03:53 AM

I'm new to the game, but it appears that the sliders over to the right that adjust `favor veterans-favor prospects', etc, are going to affect long term trading, as opposed to day to day lineup config. That is why the 2nd slider down is for `favor pitching-favor hitting'. That is how the overall team trades will bring in the players.

Unfortunately, if that's the case, there doesn't seem to be any way to adjust strategy for the lineups.

If you also own `Pure Sim' they give you the options on how often or not to let the ai juggle the lineups. There is no adjustment for specific factors, however.

emcgman

injury log · 08-30-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by emcgman

I'm new to the game, but it appears that the sliders over to the right that adjust `favor veterans-favor prospects', etc, are going to affect long term trading, as opposed to day to day lineup config. That is why the 2nd slider down is for `favor pitching-favor hitting'. That is how the overall team trades will bring in the players.

You may well be right, but my question is why these would be under a Manager's strategy prefs, when trading is the province of the General Manager. The Manager isn't trading, after all!

OldFatGuy · 08-30-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by natlpasttime

You make a good point. I would think you would want your best teachers in the minors. It would seem to me a player wouldn't be good enough to reach the majors until the player has learned enough at the lower levels to be major league caliber.

Think I should start a thread and attempt to get some feedback on this?? I am really interested, at least from the standpoint of how it affects the game and player development. Maybe the game just measures overall teaching ability in the organization and low minors players develop based on that; or maybe it WOULD be better to have your better teachers DOWN in the low minors and it would accelerate/improve player development. I dunno, though like I said above, intuitively, it makes sense to me to have the best TEACHERS in the minors, and the best HANDLERS in the majors.

injury log · 08-30-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

intuitively, it makes sense to me to have the best TEACHERS in the minors, and the best HANDLERS in the majors.

One issue is that the best handlers in OOTP also tend to be the best teachers; coaches improve across the board as they get older. The best coaches also tend to want a big league paycheque, so it's often hard to get good ones to work in the minors.

OldFatGuy · 08-30-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

One issue is that the best handlers in OOTP also tend to be the best teachers; coaches improve across the board as they get older. The best coaches also tend to want a big league paycheque, so it's often hard to get good ones to work in the minors.

Thanks, IL, as that was one part of my question. If you try and assign them to the minors, they will resign etc. I guess IMO the game should have some that specialize in teaching and some that specialize in handling. After all, in today's RL MLB, the manager's BIGGEST job is actually handling the players' and their 25/40 different personalities, etc. The teaching aspect is done by others, though there are a couple of managers that still get into the teaching aspect as well.

Don't think I'll post it in the suggestion forum though, as I'm still so new and uninformed. Plus, from a programming standpoint, sounds like it would mean totally redoing the way coaches develop. Anyways, thanks for the reply on this IL.

RchW · 08-30-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Thanks, IL, as that was one part of my question. If you try and assign them to the minors, they will resign etc. I guess IMO the game should have some that specialize in teaching and some that specialize in handling. After all, in today's RL MLB, the manager's BIGGEST job is actually handling the players' and their 25/40 different personalities, etc. The teaching aspect is done by others, though there are a couple of managers that still get into the teaching aspect as well.

Don't think I'll post it in the suggestion forum though, as I'm still so new and uninformed. Plus, from a programming standpoint, sounds like it would mean totally redoing the way coaches develop. Anyways, thanks for the reply on this IL.

Please post it. New and uninformed players are the best way to advance the game. I've spent so much time testing and reporting in this version that I can't see the forest for the trees anymore.

injury log · 08-30-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Thanks, IL, as that was one part of my question. If you try and assign them to the minors, they will resign etc. I guess IMO the game should have some that specialize in teaching and some that specialize in handling. After all, in today's RL MLB, the manager's BIGGEST job is actually handling the players' and their 25/40 different personalities, etc. The teaching aspect is done by others, though there are a couple of managers that still get into the teaching aspect as well.

Don't think I'll post it in the suggestion forum though, as I'm still so new and uninformed. Plus, from a programming standpoint, sounds like it would mean totally redoing the way coaches develop. Anyways, thanks for the reply on this IL.

They won't actually resign if you try to demote them to the minors, but they will refuse to be demoted. And a good coach will rarely accept a job offer to coach in the minors.

I agree with Rich- post a suggestion! I've always disliked how coaches work in the game, and I think you've got a good idea there. I'll think about it some more as well.

OldFatGuy · 08-30-2007, 04:12 PM

The thing is, as fas as me posting a suggestion, is I'm not exactly sure, because of my limited experience, what EXACTLY to suggest. I mean, I would like to see the game produce some young coaches that are very adept at teaching, then as they mature they could "learn" the handling aspects, thus developing into managers. However, this only "works" if the teaching ratings really DO mean more in the minors than in the majors, something I'm not at all sure of.

RchW · 08-30-2007, 05:28 PM

You've been pretty clear so far. Describe how you want it to work vs your perception of how it works. Stuff like this often needs a little discussion to focus on the issue that may or may not be fixable.

OldFatGuy · 08-30-2007, 11:58 PM

OK, I posted in the suggestion area.

Jet Jones · 09-02-2007, 11:33 PM

Thanks. I saw this as well, and I am running my teams just as a manager, allowing the AI to make the trades. The trouble there is you can only assign your actual manager under you to handle trades, and that's ridiculous. So the manager slider settings have to affect trades if you're allowing your AI to do them.

08-22-2007, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
natlpasttime Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	team/coach/scout strategies question I haven't been able to find info on this through searching. Will changing my team strategy, coach strategy and scouting strategy actually change the way they run the game and scout the players? I'm wanting to change all my strategies to favor OBG rather than AVG and I want the computer scouts to look for those types of players come draft time as well. Thanks

08-29-2007, 07:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 22 Thanked 80x in 52 posts	In a related matter, in terms of managers/coaches. Couldn't find it, but I'm sure it's been discussed. I'm noticing on ALL the teams the best teaching coaches are in the majors. This seems counter-intuitive to me. Managers/coaches are rated in 6 areas, teach hitting/pitching/fielding and handling rookies/veterans/players. It seems to me those last 3 are more important for the bigs, but the first three, the teaching aspects, wouldn't you want your BEST TEACHERS in the minors???? If I move my best teachers down to the minors, is that like a demotion and will lead to unhappiness/resignations??? What am I missing here? I thought the essence of the minors was the teaching/learning going on to get players prepared for the majors. Seems like you'd want the best teachers there. EDIT: I guess what I'm asking is this: In terms of player development in OOTP 2007, is it better to have your best teachers at the major league level or the minor league level or it really makes no difference as long as they are somewhere in the organization?? Last edited by OldFatGuy; 08-29-2007 at 08:04 PM.

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08-23-2007, 04:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	I'd be interested to know as well how much of a difference these sliders make, and which aspects of gameplay they influence. I recently ran a quick controlled test with the Manager sliders (favor speed/favor power, etc), and it made no difference to how my lineups were constructed.

08-23-2007, 06:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
natlpasttime Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	This is what I am beginning to fear. The silence from anyone else regarding this matter also seems to indicate the sliders might not make any difference at all. And if that's the case, it's a major disappointment.

08-23-2007, 07:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	I should clarify- I expect the sliders do make some difference. I'm just not sure exactly in which areas of the game. My tests (which were done quickly) suggest the sliders don't affect lineups and depth charts, which I found surprising. This seems to be the reason why the Bench Coach and Manager always produce the same lineups and depth charts. I expect scouts' preferences will be influenced by slider settings, but this is something I've never tested. Am curious if anyone knows for sure.

08-30-2007, 03:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
natlpasttime Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	You make a good point. I would think you would want your best teachers in the minors. It would seem to me a player wouldn't be good enough to reach the majors until the player has learned enough at the lower levels to be major league caliber.

08-30-2007, 03:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
emcgman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I'm new to the game, but it appears that the sliders over to the right that adjust `favor veterans-favor prospects', etc, are going to affect long term trading, as opposed to day to day lineup config. That is why the 2nd slider down is for `favor pitching-favor hitting'. That is how the overall team trades will bring in the players. Unfortunately, if that's the case, there doesn't seem to be any way to adjust strategy for the lineups. If you also own `Pure Sim' they give you the options on how often or not to let the ai juggle the lineups. There is no adjustment for specific factors, however. emcgman

08-30-2007, 04:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 22 Thanked 80x in 52 posts	The thing is, as fas as me posting a suggestion, is I'm not exactly sure, because of my limited experience, what EXACTLY to suggest. I mean, I would like to see the game produce some young coaches that are very adept at teaching, then as they mature they could "learn" the handling aspects, thus developing into managers. However, this only "works" if the teaching ratings really DO mean more in the minors than in the majors, something I'm not at all sure of.

08-30-2007, 11:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 22 Thanked 80x in 52 posts	OK, I posted in the suggestion area.

09-02-2007, 11:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jet Jones Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks. I saw this as well, and I am running my teams just as a manager, allowing the AI to make the trades. The trouble there is you can only assign your actual manager under you to handle trades, and that's ridiculous. So the manager slider settings have to affect trades if you're allowing your AI to do them.