Arrrrgghhh!

[OldFatGuy]

Man, I don't think this game is made for old guys. I may be going crazy, but I could SWEAR I saw somewhere previously where you could set up your player pics the way you wanted to, I.E. Zoomed In, Zoomed Out, At an Angle, or Random. I downloaded all of these great looking uniforms so I want ALL of my pics to be zoomed out so I can enjoy the unis, AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT.

This happens to me all the time. I don't know if its the interface or me or a combination, but I will be at a place in the game and then days later want to go back and adjust something and it takes me an hour to find my way back there. It really is frustrating. Not fair at all for a totally new OOTP player (I've never played any version before) to criticize I suppose, but someone, IMO, should improve this interface.

Maybe 1998 Yankees was right, I don't have it in me. Oh well, can ANYONE out there point me to the pictures thing?? Or is my old mind playing games and I am remembering that wrong???

[Powderguy]

NO, its there. When you first load up OOTP, its on the main menu under game preferences.

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by Powderguy

NO, its there. When you first load up OOTP, its on the main menu under game preferences.

Oh geez, looked everywhere in game, but NOT at that point at load up. Man oh man, thank you. I was looking EVERYWHERE for that thing. Thank you Powderguy.

[Powderguy]

Yep, no problem

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Maybe 1998 Yankees was right, I don't have it in me.

Remember, I was trying to motivate you with that clumsy ploy.

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Remember, I was trying to motivate you with that clumsy ploy.

Oh yeah, I remember. It worked too, as I've "played" more in the last week and a half than in the first 5 weeks combined (though part of that was waiting on the patch). Not sure if "played" is accurate, as I still haven't actually played through a PBP game yet, just simming and playing as GM. Every other BB game I've played, PBP is my preferred method, but I'm sill on the big time upward slope of my learning curve.

I love the game. No doubt about it. But I do get tired of getting lost in it. I can only hope that's going to get better with time.

And off-topic, just wanted to say thanks on behalf of all newbies to the all of you guys responses. I've never encountered a game that gave me so much trouble as this one does and it's nice to post a question or two and come back and see it answered so quickly. Big help, thanks so much.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Every other BB game I've played, PBP is my preferred method, but I'm sill on the big time upward slope of my learning curve.

Good to hear you're enjoying the game a bit more, and there are many of us here who are always happy to help. If I can veer off-topic for a second (revealing my pedantic nature- not one of my better qualities!): regardless of how the term is used in the day-to-day, learning curves slope down, and if a learning curve is steep, that means something can be learned easily. OOTP has a shallow learning curve for most- takes a while to get where you want.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I love the game. No doubt about it. But I do get tired of getting lost in it. I can only hope that's going to get better with time.

I think it will, if you keep at it. Heck, I know it will. And the reward will be when you realize that the reason it took so much time and effort to learn this game is because it has so much to offer once you do.

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I've never encountered a game that gave me so much trouble as this one does and it's nice to post a question or two and come back and see it answered so quickly.

You keep trying, and we'll keep answering the best that we can.

[myasu]

It is so nice to see you posting here very often, OldFatGuy!
Don't give it up.
As you said, there are so many great guys around here, patroling constantly, answering all the questions.
This is the best.

And once again,

My fat (not young) brother, who can not speak English could do it.
You can do it!

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by injury log

Good to hear you're enjoying the game a bit more, and there are many of us here who are always happy to help. If I can veer off-topic for a second (revealing my pedantic nature- not one of my better qualities!): regardless of how the term is used in the day-to-day, learning curves slope down, and if a learning curve is steep, that means something can be learned easily. OOTP has a shallow learning curve for most- takes a while to get where you want.

Never knew learning curves sloped down; see you can continue to be educated even when you get old. But wouldn't that depend on how exactly you named the X and Y axis??? I mean if the X (vertical) axis was labelled "Knowledge learned" and the Y axis (horizontal) was time, wouldn't the slope be upward????? I guess I'm missing something there too. And have no clue what "pedantic nature" means, I'm hoping someone will save me the trouble of trying to find my old Webster's, though I'm sure it's around here somewhere.

And however you want to categorize the curve, I'll just say this. I'm normally not a stupid man, in fact I usually catch on to things fairly easily. But this is without a doubt the most frustrated thing I've ever tried to learn, and I sometimes feel stupid. And I've played many, many, many baseball computer games and have followed the game my whole life, so I know its not the game of baseball itself or computers in general. It's just basically FINDING something. There are SO MANY menus, tabs, sub-tabs, sub-menus, I quite literally see something, 15 minutes later want to go back there (but I've gone through enough screens so its not on the "recent" list, and it will take me a half-hour just to find that spot again. In the case above, I searched everywhere for well over an hour TWO seperate times, but not at the beginning screen.

And the reason its frustrating, is because I DO want to learn it. I'm thinking this may well be the baseball game I've been looking for, but I can't tell for sure because I have such a hard time navigating around in it. But, I don't think there's any way around it but to learn it. I'm guessing smarter people than I have already improved the interface as much as possible and the reason its "bulky" is because there's a lot of bulk. There is just SO MUCH in this game that its unavoidable I guess.

Just curious, was it much, much easier for players of previous versions of OOTP???

[OldFatGuy]

Whoops, I was chuckling over Injurylog's reply and forgot to mention my thanks again. I'm thinking these boards are what's going to eventually get me over the top. Thanks again for all the replies.

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Just curious, was it much, much easier for players of previous versions of OOTP???

I'd say that the previous generation of OOTP (ending with v6.5) were easier to navigate, simply because there was so much less you could do. It's an embarrassment of riches now.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Never knew learning curves sloped down; see you can continue to be educated even when you get old. But wouldn't that depend on how exactly you named the X and Y axis??? I mean if the X (vertical) axis was labelled "Knowledge learned" and the Y axis (horizontal) was time, wouldn't the slope be upward????? I guess I'm missing something there too. And have no clue what "pedantic nature" means, I'm hoping someone will save me the trouble of trying to find my old Webster's, though I'm sure it's around here somewhere.

A pedant is one excessively concerned with details- the key being 'excessive', so not normally considered a good quality, but one I'm often guilty of possessing. Learning curves were, originally, well-defined things in some field of sociology (don't remember which!). The y-axis measures the 'cost' (e.g. amount of energy or time needed) of performing a task, and the x-axis the number of times the task is repeated. Obviously, the first time something is attempted, the cost or time needed is normally highest, but the cost/time will normally go down with practice. If the cost goes down quickly, that would be a steeply declining learning curve, representing something easy to learn; if it goes down slowly, then a shallow one, representing something that is only learned slowly.

Of course, the meaning has become entirely reversed in much day-to-day speech, which makes it a bit tricky sometimes to guess what someone means when they talk about 'steep learning curves'! I suppose the situation is similar with the term 'quantum leap', which in quantum mech refers to the smallest possible orbital energy jump, and means something very different in everyday language.

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