Strategy setups ???

[clamel]

Have any or many messed around with the strategy "bars". I looked them over yesterday and saw that all teams had similar setups.

I was hoping that different AI managers depending on their lineups had a little smarter way of handling all these micro managing setings.

Of course what comes to mind is to start messing around with them as Commis. Like pulling reliefpitchers more often, perhaps in the National League. Bunting more in the NL.
Whatever.

Anyone who has stepped into this jungle ?????

[HerbD]

It would be a neat addition to the game if you could assign ficttional managers their own strategy settings and have those settings stick as they were hired and fired throughout the OOTP universe.

[Charlie Hough]

The AI will manage according to the default sliders unless you change them in commissioner mode. The strategy sliders have a huge impact on game management and outcomes. If you play in online leagues, it's an absolute must that you use them.

I agree with the suggestion that fictional managers be allowed to have certain managerial styles that they carry with them. They should be able to evolve, too. It would also be nice to have some basic settings that would govern the sliders so you don't have to tweak them for every situation. For example, it would be good to set up a manager that will emphasize base stealing, bunting, and manufacturing runs vs. one that will try to stay conservative and rely on extra-base hits and home runs.

[clamel]

So this will mean that if I play a Historical Sim over some 20-25 years (or even longer) I would have to manually step inot this part and adjust sliders from time to time ....

I guess the stats could be very different if I don´t, so to get closer to history this should be a thing.

Like you guys say these sliders should be attached to managers not to teams. Unfortunately we can´t have managers that are historical.

Very sad since playing Football Manager and Championship Managers over many years (that´s soccer games) they have a fine setup that permits players to become managers after their active careers. This would be something to grasp for OOTPs future. This will then see the real managers, since almost all once did play active baseball in their youth.

I was playing around when I setup my historical sim, changing the fictional names off managers to the correct names for that first year. Naturally I did a little change in naming Bobby Cox, for Mr. Bobby Cox, and so on. When teams later on fire any manager I would look up whoever real manager they hired and once again do a namechange. The big trouble is of course if I should do the HUGE work off changing the sliders.

What comes up is if these changes of sliders for teams I don´t control as a commisioner (well I briefly control them during this setting, but that´s it) will later be altered by the AI itself.
I tested getting into changing lets say lineups and pitching roles. The AI changed this back directly (as it should).

These sliders means so much to the flow of the game so they must be an issue to discuss just leaving them in historical sims can´t be done, OR ?

[Viva Los Expos]

Originally Posted by clamel

So this will mean that if I play a Historical Sim over some 20-25 years (or even longer) I would have to manually step inot this part and adjust sliders from time to time ....

I guess the stats could be very different if I don´t, so to get closer to history this should be a thing.

[snip]

These sliders means so much to the flow of the game so they must be an issue to discuss just leaving them in historical sims can´t be done, OR ?

Assuming I understand the manual correctly, if you set up your historical league with the option for "Automatically adjust League Strategy" checked, that should take care of your main concern. See section 3.4.9.3 of the manual.

[clamel]

Well,
yes but this setups is very overall, not even selected for National-American leagues differences.
I do believe that National will use pinch-hitters a lot more than American thanks to the pitcher batting.

The important strategy will probably be more in the region of using starter pitchers much deeper into games in the early days of baseball. Today starters will be pulled much more often and very few complete games is recorded I think.

This micro-management will then of course drop even deeper until individual players. Now we are talking deep things, but in many cases almost a must on some players.

My scare is of course since you could move around now and then and set certain strategies we all know was common with certain teams under certain managers (with correct players). After this the AI will make his move like the lineups and reset all things. Best if the AI just looked stupid and agreed on your settings on team strategy.

Tempting should be to use the help 7.6.1.7 in manual after taking temporari control of teams before start of season and ASK bench coaches and team managers for help setting the team strategy.
This will perhaps change the team strategies , which I almost could say will not happen if you leave it alone. Of course the overall settings for the period will be set, but nothing team specific.

Anything to continue thalk about ???

Just look at the strategy bars.
They are all the same for all teams AND for all Game situations and score situation. This doesn´t feel correct IMHO.

[Charlie Hough]

The automatic league strategy adjustments and historical settings adjustments will actually account for most of the differences you would want to achieve. For example, a league playing in 2007 with updated strategy and historical settings will have pitchers with lower endurance, and relievers will be used very heavily. In leagues without the designated hitter, there will naturally be much more pinch hitting, except for historical games in the early decades of the 20th century, when pitchers often tossed complete games.

The strategy sliders are more for variations between clubs. Overall the clubs will be managed according to the typical strategies of the given era. But if you want some clubs to do more stealing and bunting than others, then you can use the sliders. The same goes for pulling starters quicker, etc.

I agree that the game should create individual manager personalities and strategies. It would be great to be a GM and be able to hire a manager who shares your philosophy when it comes to managing games. Then you could put the right person in place and focus more on player development, transactions, etc.

I personally like to manage all of the club's games, but I would still like to see individual manager personalities that reflect the diversity that can be found in real life.

[clamel]

You´re correct Charlie
but what I find sad is that ALL teams have 100% the same slider settings even if they are from National or American leagues. That is why I might trying to make small adjustments to get a more look-a-like environment.

However I´m not sure if it crashes the stats. I think the AI reacts to what players are involved in a situation and makes small adjustments based on the strategy bars. However it is in such situations a little variation between national and American leagues should be implemented.

I see how it works out.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by clamel

temporari control of teams before start of season and ASK bench coaches and team managers for help setting the team strategy.
This will perhaps change the team strategies , which I almost could say will not happen if you leave it alone.

This will alter the original team strategy, you're right. But, sadly, the end result for each team- even though they differ overall from one another -is as you've noted below:

the strategy bars...are all the same *snip* for all Game situations and score situation. This doesn´t feel correct IMHO.

It might not be incorrect, but it is certainly, IMHO, not fully implemented.