Spring Training ???

[MightyQuinn]

Why does the game automatically move players to ML from AAA during spring training without your consent ???

I tried to move them back before spring training but 3 players are out of options and have to go through waivers !!!

Will the game put the players back on the AAA team and back where I had them set up AND will those 3 go back without going through waivers when spring training is over ???

[TribeFanInNC]

This is an intentional feature new to OOTP X to prevent teams from stock piling players in the minors that could otherwise be playing somewhere else in the majors. This is realistic as all players on the 40-man roster are invited to spring training in real life.

Some people don't like this change, some do. Personally, I like it.

[jasonn29tn14]

I also like this feature. IRL everyone who is on the 40 man roster must be optioned back to the minors or kept on the 25 man roster after ST.

[TribeFanInNC]

I guess I didn't address the last part. No, the game will not put them back for you. You need to clear them through waivers, then put them back yourself and reinsert them in the depth chart and lineup as with any other transaction.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by MightyQuinn

I tried to move them back before spring training but 3 players are out of options and have to go through waivers !!!

Will the game put the players back on the AAA team and back where I had them set up AND will those 3 go back without going through waivers when spring training is over ???

Players who are out of options ALWAYS must clear waivers before they can be assigned to the minor leagues. That's what makes having options remaining so useful for the major league club—it can move the player back and forth between the minors and majors without having to worry about waivers (leaving aside a certain real-world technicality).

[findinghomer]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

This is an intentional feature new to OOTP X to prevent teams from stock piling players in the minors that could otherwise be playing somewhere else in the majors. This is realistic as all players on the 40-man roster are invited to spring training in real life.

Some people don't like this change, some do. Personally, I like it.

first off, i know this is an old topic, but i have a question with this response. you say it prevents "stock piling", but it some cases it doesnt.

if i have a player on a minor league contract, and out of options who does not make my team out of spring, i have to pass him through waivers. whats makes no sense is, if he is claimed by another club, they can simply place him in THEIR minors. soooo basically you lose the player, but he STILL is in the minor leagues. in fact i dont think the claiming team even has to put him on their 40 man when he is under a minor league contract. makes no sense to me. thoughts?

[RoyEarl]

Well, if a team claims that player then THAT team needs to have him clear waivers to move him to the minors as well..so I guess he could go from waiver claim to waiver claim his entire career..

[TribeFanInNC]

Originally Posted by findinghomer

if i have a player on a minor league contract, and out of options who does not make my team out of spring, i have to pass him through waivers. whats makes no sense is, if he is claimed by another club, they can simply place him in THEIR minors. soooo basically you lose the player, but he STILL is in the minor leagues. in fact i dont think the claiming team even has to put him on their 40 man when he is under a minor league contract. makes no sense to me. thoughts?

You are right. This should not occur. I think we had a discussion about this in the beta forum. Something we will have to try to persaude Markus to rectify in v11.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by findinghomer

if i have a player on a minor league contract, and out of options who does not make my team out of spring, i have to pass him through waivers. whats makes no sense is, if he is claimed by another club, they can simply place him in THEIR minors. soooo basically you lose the player, but he STILL is in the minor leagues. in fact i dont think the claiming team even has to put him on their 40 man when he is under a minor league contract. makes no sense to me.

I suspect that's due to the game using the DFA area for new arrivals, which is not how it's used in reality. Consequently, I think it introduces a loophole which AI teams can exploit.

[findinghomer]

Originally Posted by RoyEarl

Well, if a team claims that player then THAT team needs to have him clear waivers to move him to the minors as well..so I guess he could go from waiver claim to waiver claim his entire career..

not when under minor league contract, they can demote him without waivers.

[findinghomer]

thanx for the confirmation though guys, i had to make sure i wasnt missing something. one thing i just realized is, when being called up for spring, it automatically (temporarily) gives you a major league contract, so maybe this loophole wont work for spring? it sure does work during the season though.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by findinghomer

one thing i just realized is, when being called up for spring, it automatically (temporarily) gives you a major league contract, so maybe this loophole wont work for spring? it sure does work during the season though.

I'll have to revisit my test leagues, but I don't recall this being the case. Spring Training wasn't that long ago in my fictional, and I'm certain I had a few players on there, dressed in the ML uniform of course, but still possessing minor league contracts.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by findinghomer

thanx for the confirmation though guys, i had to make sure i wasnt missing something. one thing i just realized is, when being called up for spring, it automatically (temporarily) gives you a major league contract, so maybe this loophole wont work for spring?

Every player on the 40-man roster has a major league contract. Even when on option to the minor leagues a player on the 40-man roster has a major league contract (though in the real world such a player will be paid at a lower rate of pay when playing in the minors; in OOTP the player always gets the major league minimum salary).

Only when removed from the 40-man roster does the contract revert to a minor league contract.

A player on the 40-man roster but who is out of options cannot be sent to the minors at the end of spring training because players with no options left can ONLY be on the 40-man secondary roster AND on 25-man active roster simultaneously. If you don't want him on the active roster, then you also have to remove him from the 40-man roster and assign him outright to the minors (a.k.a. an outright assignment). This requires the player to clear waivers. Players who have options remaning can simply be optioned to the minors at the end of spring training (in the real world, MLB clubs actually option players to the minors throughout spring training rather than just at the end of it).

This is how it works in the real world.

When an outrighted player is claimed off of waivers, OOTP puts that player into the DFA area of the new team, and from there the player is assigned to wherever the club wants.

The trouble is that DFA in the real world is used for only one purpose: to remove a player from the 40-man roster immediately while giving the club ten days to figure out what it wants to do with the player. It can either release the player, outright him to the minors, or trade him, in order to fulfill the removal of him from the 40-man roster. But in OOTP the DFA is used as an area to temporarily store acquired players. I think this causes unintended issues.

A player claimed off of waivers in the real world goes onto the 40-man roster of the new club automatically, which necessitates removing another player from the 40-man roster to make space (assuming a full 40-man roster). But by OOTP putting the player into the DFA area of the new club, the game mistakenly doesn't realize the newly acquired player still ought to be on the 40-man roster. Being in DFA means he isn't on the 40-man roster, and since he's not on the 40-man, the AI team can then assign the player to the minors without waivers since he was never actually removed from the 40-man roster by the acquiring AI team.