Determing Rookie Player Ratings In Historical Sims

tpaine · 08-21-2009, 01:04 AM

Apologies in advance if this has been covered elsewhere -- I am currently running an historical simulation of the 1936 major league season and was wondering how OOTP 10 determines player ratings for 1936 rookies. Joe DiMaggio, one of the rookies that year, not surprisingly has glowing scouting reports and good ratings. Other rookies, like Brooklyn's Buddy Hassett, have scouting reports and ratings that are more earthbound. It did not look like the game showed minor league stats for the rookies, so I was wondering whether the ratings are based on looking back on a player's real life career performance and especially his real life rookie year -- or something else.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Kelric · 08-21-2009, 10:46 AM

Well, Hassett wasn't that good... DiMaggio was one of the best ever. Makes sense. The game bases ratings/potential on what the guy did in real life. Further definition of ratings/potential depends on what you set your game options at when you created the league.

tpaine · 08-21-2009, 02:23 PM

Thanks for your response. My question may not have been clear enough. I understand that better players historically will have higher rookie ratings than poorer players historically. And I get the sense from your response that the rookie player ratings have some correspondence to a player's real life historical stats.

I guess where my question is going is what is that correspondence or correlation between the the rookie ratingts and the real life stats or, in other words, does anyone have any insight into the algorithim used to generate these rookie year ratings?

For example - do you simply look at DiMaggio's and Hassett's rookie year 1936 stats and use them or do you plug them into some formula that weights the real life rookie year stats and produces the ratings numbers? Do you use a three year weighted average for the player's first three real life career stats? Something else?

Sounds like there may be some way to adjust all of these things in the game but I am not yet familiar with this and wonder whether it helps to know the basic concept in the first place.

If this is like the "secret sauce" of the game and proprietary, my apologies. Also, again, my apologies if the answers to these questions are evident from elsewhere on this site or the OOTP site generally.

Thanks again for your thoughts on this.

SteveP · 08-21-2009, 02:43 PM

Ratings are based on real life stats. Most of the time they are based on 3-years sandwiching the first season of your league. You also have the option to make them based on 5 years, or one year.

The only thing that is different about rookies, is that their initial ratings can only be based on their first year and the following year (or the following two years, if you are using the 5-year option). I don't believe there is any "weighting" formula that compensates for this, but I could be wrong about that.

08-21-2009, 01:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
tpaine Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Determing Rookie Player Ratings In Historical Sims Apologies in advance if this has been covered elsewhere -- I am currently running an historical simulation of the 1936 major league season and was wondering how OOTP 10 determines player ratings for 1936 rookies. Joe DiMaggio, one of the rookies that year, not surprisingly has glowing scouting reports and good ratings. Other rookies, like Brooklyn's Buddy Hassett, have scouting reports and ratings that are more earthbound. It did not look like the game showed minor league stats for the rookies, so I was wondering whether the ratings are based on looking back on a player's real life career performance and especially his real life rookie year -- or something else. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

08-21-2009, 10:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,983 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	Well, Hassett wasn't that good... DiMaggio was one of the best ever. Makes sense. The game bases ratings/potential on what the guy did in real life. Further definition of ratings/potential depends on what you set your game options at when you created the league. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

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08-21-2009, 02:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
tpaine Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks for your response. My question may not have been clear enough. I understand that better players historically will have higher rookie ratings than poorer players historically. And I get the sense from your response that the rookie player ratings have some correspondence to a player's real life historical stats. I guess where my question is going is what is that correspondence or correlation between the the rookie ratingts and the real life stats or, in other words, does anyone have any insight into the algorithim used to generate these rookie year ratings? For example - do you simply look at DiMaggio's and Hassett's rookie year 1936 stats and use them or do you plug them into some formula that weights the real life rookie year stats and produces the ratings numbers? Do you use a three year weighted average for the player's first three real life career stats? Something else? Sounds like there may be some way to adjust all of these things in the game but I am not yet familiar with this and wonder whether it helps to know the basic concept in the first place. If this is like the "secret sauce" of the game and proprietary, my apologies. Also, again, my apologies if the answers to these questions are evident from elsewhere on this site or the OOTP site generally. Thanks again for your thoughts on this.

08-21-2009, 02:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	Ratings are based on real life stats. Most of the time they are based on 3-years sandwiching the first season of your league. You also have the option to make them based on 5 years, or one year. The only thing that is different about rookies, is that their initial ratings can only be based on their first year and the following year (or the following two years, if you are using the 5-year option). I don't believe there is any "weighting" formula that compensates for this, but I could be wrong about that.