OOTP Online Leagues.

ukhotstove · 04-23-2011, 04:30 AM

When did they take a down turn in the respect commissioners give GM's and vice versa, I've been playing OOTP going on 7 years now and it's only recently I've taken notice of the amount of backbiting that seems to take place in leagues. Now I'm not saying that all leagues are like this in fact the majority are well run and well respected but imo the lack of respect is creeping into more and more leagues than there was when I first started to play in online leagues, there was a time you used to have an argument with someone in a league dust yourself off, shake hands and get on with having fun but now it seems as though some people have more fun in having arguments than playing the game.

I also get the feeling some people just want to wreck leagues as though they get fun out of it just like say an hacker gets fun out of destroying a website, if your in a league and are about to have an argument or are trying to destroy a league remember it's just a game and should be fun and not for boosting ego's or having petty squabbles. Maybe it's the times we live in but surely things shouldn't change so much (for the worse) in just a short period of time.

UKRedSox · 04-23-2011, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

When did they take a down turn in the respect commissioners give GM's and vice versa, I've been playing OOTP going on 7 years now and it's only recently I've taken notice of the amount of backbiting that seems to take place in leagues. Now I'm not saying that all leagues are like this in fact the majority are well run and well respected but imo the lack of respect is creeping into more and more leagues than there was when I first started to play in online leagues, there was a time you used to have an argument with someone in a league dust yourself off, shake hands and get on with having fun but now it seems as though some people have more fun in having arguments than playing the game.

I also get the feeling some people just want to wreck leagues as though they get fun out of it just like say an hacker gets fun out of destroying a website, if your in a league and are about to have an argument or are trying to destroy a league remember it's just a game and should be fun and not for boosting ego's or having petty squabbles. Maybe it's the times we live in but surely things shouldn't change so much (for the worse) in just a short period of time.

Noticed this as well.

Am lucky to have three solid commish's & three groups of solid GM's in the online leagues I play in.

But have heard some horror stories as well.

Don't think it is just OOTP players though, I recently stopped playing Front Office Football (on an lack of interest and behavioural front).

Will always see idiots in every game, just have to be lucky (and miss them) and ignore them.

Bluenoser · 04-23-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UKRedSox

Noticed this as well.

Am lucky to have three solid commish's & three groups of solid GM's in the online leagues I play in.

But have heard some horror stories as well.

Don't think it is just OOTP players though, I recently stopped playing Front Office Football (on an lack of interest and behavioural front).

Will always see idiots in every game, just have to be lucky (and miss them) and ignore them.

Bingo - as long as there's an internet and immature little no-minds who can hide behind a keyboard and not be held accountable for their actions, there will always be, ..... well, ..... immature little no-minds. It's internet wide, not just OOTP that has this problem.

ukhotstove · 04-23-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Bingo - as long as there's an internet and immature little no-minds who can hide behind a keyboard and not be held accountable for their actions, there will always be, ..... well, ..... immature little no-minds. It's internet wide, not just OOTP that has this problem.

I agree with what you say, before OOTP I used to spend alot of my time online by playing in the yahoo pool rooms but they went downhill with idiots shooting their mouths off and such but that was years ago. However have to say it seems to have come into OOTP leagues in the last few months, or maybe it's just me taking more notice.

griffeyin98 · 04-25-2011, 08:27 AM

I agree, just the nature of the beast that is the internet. Wish there was a way to screen people better. I've also recently complained of the number of GMs and potential GMs who for whatever reason can't send and email and quit a league, I've had a half dozen+ in the MTBL who just stop existing in the league without as much as a forum post or email saying they are quitting the league. Makes no sense from grown adults.

snnort · 04-28-2011, 09:56 PM

It gets even worse.

canadiancreed · 04-28-2011, 10:02 PM

Agreed to all of the above. It's not the reason why I've taken a break from the online league world (lack of time has taken care of that), but when you have folks getting to that stage well....it's probably best to move on. Best leagues that I've been in were the ones that the commishs were able to reign in and try to deal out level headed takes on the situation. Sort of like babysitting children some days.

TDO · 06-06-2011, 03:37 PM

Oh boy. Thinking of joining an online league but I been in other online leagues that had these problems, they make it very unfun.

ukhotstove · 06-07-2011, 06:42 AM

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Oh boy. Thinking of joining an online league but I been in other online leagues that had these problems, they make it very unfun.

The CBL as an opening, I'd give that league a seal of approval.

Alan T · 06-07-2011, 07:29 AM

Any online league that has been running for a while at some point gets a "character" or "characters" in it that can stir up this type of thing. Some people just enjoy coming across online leagues as a "tough guy". Many commissioners (myself included) try to do the best we can to weed out those type of people and not let them join a league, but it is tough to know who those people are until too late.

Most leagues that are run well can usually last through a disruptive force as long as the Commissioner takes some type of decisive action for the best of the league. Sometimes cutting off that cancer can help save the patient so to speak.

RonCo · 06-07-2011, 09:10 PM

My advice...take lots of time to look at a league before you join it, and then join full-force. I generally don't play in more than one league at a time because I pick worthy leagues and focus all my effort on it. It's better that way.

04-23-2011, 04:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 5,551 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 227 Thanked 210x in 156 posts	OOTP Online Leagues. When did they take a down turn in the respect commissioners give GM's and vice versa, I've been playing OOTP going on 7 years now and it's only recently I've taken notice of the amount of backbiting that seems to take place in leagues. Now I'm not saying that all leagues are like this in fact the majority are well run and well respected but imo the lack of respect is creeping into more and more leagues than there was when I first started to play in online leagues, there was a time you used to have an argument with someone in a league dust yourself off, shake hands and get on with having fun but now it seems as though some people have more fun in having arguments than playing the game. I also get the feeling some people just want to wreck leagues as though they get fun out of it just like say an hacker gets fun out of destroying a website, if your in a league and are about to have an argument or are trying to destroy a league remember it's just a game and should be fun and not for boosting ego's or having petty squabbles. Maybe it's the times we live in but surely things shouldn't change so much (for the worse) in just a short period of time.

04-28-2011, 09:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
snnort Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 272 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10x in 10 posts	It gets even worse. Last edited by snnort; 04-28-2011 at 10:03 PM.

04-28-2011, 10:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	Agreed to all of the above. It's not the reason why I've taken a break from the online league world (lack of time has taken care of that), but when you have folks getting to that stage well....it's probably best to move on. Best leagues that I've been in were the ones that the commishs were able to reign in and try to deal out level headed takes on the situation. Sort of like babysitting children some days. __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come.

06-07-2011, 07:29 AM	#10 (permalink)
Alan T Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass. Posts: 1,963 Thanks: 15 Thanked 136x in 94 posts	Any online league that has been running for a while at some point gets a "character" or "characters" in it that can stir up this type of thing. Some people just enjoy coming across online leagues as a "tough guy". Many commissioners (myself included) try to do the best we can to weed out those type of people and not let them join a league, but it is tough to know who those people are until too late. Most leagues that are run well can usually last through a disruptive force as long as the Commissioner takes some type of decisive action for the best of the league. Sometimes cutting off that cancer can help save the patient so to speak. __________________ - Front Office Offseason League. (Fast Paced OOTP-X and OOTP11 leagues, sims one season every week)

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04-25-2011, 08:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
griffeyin98 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 298 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5x in 5 posts	I agree, just the nature of the beast that is the internet. Wish there was a way to screen people better. I've also recently complained of the number of GMs and potential GMs who for whatever reason can't send and email and quit a league, I've had a half dozen+ in the MTBL who just stop existing in the league without as much as a forum post or email saying they are quitting the league. Makes no sense from grown adults.

06-06-2011, 03:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
TDO Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 109 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21x in 15 posts	Oh boy. Thinking of joining an online league but I been in other online leagues that had these problems, they make it very unfun.

06-07-2011, 09:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,566 Thanks: 21 Thanked 149x in 67 posts	My advice...take lots of time to look at a league before you join it, and then join full-force. I generally don't play in more than one league at a time because I pick worthy leagues and focus all my effort on it. It's better that way.