Cannot get the major league as feeder league option to work right

conception · 04-18-2013, 10:35 PM

I've got a league where the goal is to have one major league that is composed of the best players from a number of leagues. I thought the best way to implement this would be to have the draft in this league come from all the other major leagues as feeders.

I tried setting an age maximum from all of the leagues and what happened is all of the age 23 players got released as free agents. Before the draft could occur, many of the players signed as free agents, thus spoiling part of the point. (for the record, my draft is set early in the offseason, so both feeder and master leagues can prepare their rosters accordingly). I thought changing the league to not have free agents from other leagues would fix the issue, but instead what happened is that the only players in my draft pool were players from the previous years draft only.

What can I do to set it up so that I have a draft in the offseason filled with a new batch of players that don't hit free agency first?

olivertheorem · 04-18-2013, 10:39 PM

Maybe having the master league hold a FA draft right after the start of free agency (before they have a chance to sign) would do it.

I didn't think you could make a major league into a formal feeder for another major league though.

conception · 04-18-2013, 10:49 PM

I'm definitely going to try the moving up the draft approach, but the problem is that the first set of leagues seems to release players right after the season finishes, and I think holding the draft before free agency would have bad consequences, with newly drafted players becoming FA's.

conception · 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM

I'm just gonna update this post with what I am testing. I am trying to set the draft pool reveal date to a very early date, so perhaps it will be listing the draftable players before they hit the free agent market, and thus become technically off limits to my master league with the no FAs form other leagues option on.

nebradska · 04-19-2013, 01:32 AM

IIRC the amateur draft date of the top league needs to be set within about 30 days or less of the end of the lower leagues' seasons, or the players will become free agents as you described.

goroyals · 04-19-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nebradska

IIRC the amateur draft date of the top league needs to be set within about 30 days or less of the end of the lower leagues' seasons, or the players will become free agents as you described.

This. I would have the reveal be no more than a week after the lower leagues season ended, then no more than two weeks after that have the draft. I don't know how that would affect the FA period for your master league, but I'm guessing that would come down to having the draft pick signing deadline before FA starts. You want the unsigned draft picks and the undrafted 23+ players in your master league's FA pool, correct?

conception · 04-19-2013, 10:35 PM

From what I've gathered from my testing, my plan works if free agents aren't allowed to leave feeder leagues and I set up my draft pool to be compiled early. Players will become free agents when the season ends, but even if another team signs them from the same league they came from, that won't matter because they will still be drafted and go to their drafted team.

All my tests have worked fine, with the hardest parts just establishing what size of draft I want for both levels of leagues.

For those wondering, I am actually going to do a three tiered league.

Tier I - entry level leagues. Players will enter at a variety of ages and play till 23. My league is set in Europe, and each league represents either a country or a region in Europe. These leagues will be independent of each other (no player share) but WILL meet at the end of the year in an association playoff.

Tier II - all players enter the "master" league draft. The best players will get drafted, but the talent level and sheer number of players will merit that a number of talented, or high potential, players will still slip through the cracks.

Tier IIb - for those who don't make the cut, there will be an additional league to operate as a one year league for players who didn't make the cut. There will still be some that don't make it in, in which case they will retire, but for everyone else they will enter the draft every year. This makes the draft exciting, as teams can draft a maxed out veteran, a high potential young player, or a player who didn't make the cut the first time but has added enough ability on his potential to finally be viable. This league will require a "dummy" draft, to make sure it does not create players that enter FA.

I still need to test the last league in interaction to make sure I set the right financial settings, as well as have the right number of teams to leave just the right amount of veterans in the draft. Also need to be sure that the number of draft picks per draft won't result in the master league not signing free agents, and thus having those players enter the second league for a year.

04-18-2013, 10:35 PM	#1
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	Cannot get the major league as feeder league option to work right I've got a league where the goal is to have one major league that is composed of the best players from a number of leagues. I thought the best way to implement this would be to have the draft in this league come from all the other major leagues as feeders. I tried setting an age maximum from all of the leagues and what happened is all of the age 23 players got released as free agents. Before the draft could occur, many of the players signed as free agents, thus spoiling part of the point. (for the record, my draft is set early in the offseason, so both feeder and master leagues can prepare their rosters accordingly). I thought changing the league to not have free agents from other leagues would fix the issue, but instead what happened is that the only players in my draft pool were players from the previous years draft only. What can I do to set it up so that I have a draft in the offseason filled with a new batch of players that don't hit free agency first?

04-18-2013, 10:39 PM	#2
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Maybe having the master league hold a FA draft right after the start of free agency (before they have a chance to sign) would do it. I didn't think you could make a major league into a formal feeder for another major league though.

04-18-2013, 10:49 PM	#3
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	I'm definitely going to try the moving up the draft approach, but the problem is that the first set of leagues seems to release players right after the season finishes, and I think holding the draft before free agency would have bad consequences, with newly drafted players becoming FA's.

04-18-2013, 11:01 PM	#4
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	I'm just gonna update this post with what I am testing. I am trying to set the draft pool reveal date to a very early date, so perhaps it will be listing the draftable players before they hit the free agent market, and thus become technically off limits to my master league with the no FAs form other leagues option on.

04-19-2013, 01:32 AM	#5
nebradska Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 229	IIRC the amateur draft date of the top league needs to be set within about 30 days or less of the end of the lower leagues' seasons, or the players will become free agents as you described.

04-19-2013, 10:35 PM	#7
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	From what I've gathered from my testing, my plan works if free agents aren't allowed to leave feeder leagues and I set up my draft pool to be compiled early. Players will become free agents when the season ends, but even if another team signs them from the same league they came from, that won't matter because they will still be drafted and go to their drafted team. All my tests have worked fine, with the hardest parts just establishing what size of draft I want for both levels of leagues. For those wondering, I am actually going to do a three tiered league. Tier I - entry level leagues. Players will enter at a variety of ages and play till 23. My league is set in Europe, and each league represents either a country or a region in Europe. These leagues will be independent of each other (no player share) but WILL meet at the end of the year in an association playoff. Tier II - all players enter the "master" league draft. The best players will get drafted, but the talent level and sheer number of players will merit that a number of talented, or high potential, players will still slip through the cracks. Tier IIb - for those who don't make the cut, there will be an additional league to operate as a one year league for players who didn't make the cut. There will still be some that don't make it in, in which case they will retire, but for everyone else they will enter the draft every year. This makes the draft exciting, as teams can draft a maxed out veteran, a high potential young player, or a player who didn't make the cut the first time but has added enough ability on his potential to finally be viable. This league will require a "dummy" draft, to make sure it does not create players that enter FA. I still need to test the last league in interaction to make sure I set the right financial settings, as well as have the right number of teams to leave just the right amount of veterans in the draft. Also need to be sure that the number of draft picks per draft won't result in the master league not signing free agents, and thus having those players enter the second league for a year.