Scoring rule - walk off hit

StLee · 04-19-2015, 10:27 PM

Virginia Beach had the bases loaded in the bottom of the tenth and Mesoraco had the game-winning, walk off hit. My question here is shouldn't it be scored as a SINGLE and not a DOUBLE? In that situation, I thought that a player could only have a single or home run, nothing else.

deacon2817 · 04-19-2015, 10:42 PM

The biggest problem I see with this is that he hits a bases loaded double but only one runner scores. where did the guy on second go?

Tyler87898 · 04-19-2015, 11:10 PM

Well it is possible to have a walk off double or triple, it's just very unlikely. I googled "walk off triple" and found a couple of those.

msupoke · 04-19-2015, 11:21 PM

A ground rule double could end the game.

MKG1734 · 04-19-2015, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

A ground rule double could end the game.

False, per the rule book, a ground rule double is scored as a single (only multiple runs can score on a home run to end the game)

see:

(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.

msupoke · 04-19-2015, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MKG1734

False, per the rule book, a ground rule double is scored as a single (only multiple runs can score on a home run to end the game)

see:

(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.

According to what you just posted, if the batter has already touched second before the winning run is scored, it is a double.

MKG1734 · 04-19-2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

According to what you just posted, if the batter has already touched second before the winning run is scored, it is a double.

While I can understand a real life situation in which the runner on 3rd base falls down and does not score for the entire time the ball is live and until the other runners continue to advance two bases (for the batter) and likely near two bases for the other runners until he gets on his feet and scores....

it would seem improbable and highly unlikely that this type of play is accounted for in the code for the game (its computer code...not a real life play accounting for runners falling down and getting up, etc.), which would suggest some type of error or at least possibly missing logic to not account for this type of play.

msupoke · 04-19-2015, 11:44 PM

In the above situation, yes. You stated that a ground rule double is scored as a single, but the rule you cited does not say that. With the bases loaded, it would be rare for it to happen, but it could (pop fly that lands, but the runner on third ws tagging up).

StLee · 04-19-2015, 11:57 PM

So based on this situation, it is possible the batter hits a ground rule double, but by baseball rules only one of the runners on base is allowed to score and the batter is still credited with a double. Correct?

Questdog · 04-20-2015, 12:06 AM

OOTP does not model this rule. Whatever a batter hits is what he gets credit for regardless of the base situation and score.

msupoke · 04-20-2015, 12:06 AM

I am not sure how they would score that. The batter could hit a high fly that the runner on third thinks could be caught, resulting in the batter reaching second before the run scores.

MKG1734 · 04-20-2015, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by StLee

So based on this situation, it is possible the batter hits a ground rule double, but by baseball rules only one of the runners on base is allowed to score and the batter is still credited with a double. Correct?

Incorrect....the baseball rule turns into a "ground-rule single" (accomplished by John Flaherty in 2004)

Boston Red Sox vs. New York Yankees - Box Score - July 01, 2004 - ESPN

Note, the play-by-play notes he hit a 'ground rule double,' however; it is ruled as a single (see the box score)

04-19-2015, 10:27 PM	#1
StLee Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA, formerly Korea Posts: 4,278	Scoring rule - walk off hit Virginia Beach had the bases loaded in the bottom of the tenth and Mesoraco had the game-winning, walk off hit. My question here is shouldn't it be scored as a SINGLE and not a DOUBLE? In that situation, I thought that a player could only have a single or home run, nothing else. __________________ Fan of LSU sports (especially baseball and football), New Orleans Saints, New Orleans Pelicans, and Atlanta Braves (Dale Murphy for the HOF!). Current dynasties: Fallout 4's Commonwealth Baseball Organization Completed dynasty: Fallout: New Vegas' Mojave Baseball League Uniforms: My custom uniforms

04-19-2015, 11:57 PM	#9
StLee Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA, formerly Korea Posts: 4,278	So based on this situation, it is possible the batter hits a ground rule double, but by baseball rules only one of the runners on base is allowed to score and the batter is still credited with a double. Correct? __________________ Fan of LSU sports (especially baseball and football), New Orleans Saints, New Orleans Pelicans, and Atlanta Braves (Dale Murphy for the HOF!). Current dynasties: Fallout 4's Commonwealth Baseball Organization Completed dynasty: Fallout: New Vegas' Mojave Baseball League Uniforms: My custom uniforms

04-19-2015, 10:42 PM	#2
deacon2817 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Long Island N.Y. Posts: 187	The biggest problem I see with this is that he hits a bases loaded double but only one runner scores. where did the guy on second go?

04-19-2015, 11:10 PM	#3
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 791	Well it is possible to have a walk off double or triple, it's just very unlikely. I googled "walk off triple" and found a couple of those.

04-19-2015, 11:21 PM	#4
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	A ground rule double could end the game.

04-19-2015, 11:44 PM	#8
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	In the above situation, yes. You stated that a ground rule double is scored as a single, but the rule you cited does not say that. With the bases loaded, it would be rare for it to happen, but it could (pop fly that lands, but the runner on third ws tagging up).

04-20-2015, 12:06 AM	#10
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	OOTP does not model this rule. Whatever a batter hits is what he gets credit for regardless of the base situation and score.