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04-22-2015, 10:19 AM | #1 |
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I don't know what secret sauce those of you that play with trading on Very Hard and Highly Favor Prospects have found but y'all are out of your minds if you think that the average player should play with those settings! Lol.
I've been playing this game for 10 years, albeit I usually only play 4-5 seasons per release generally. But without trading on Average and Neutral I can't improve my team to save my life! Now, you may still need some house rules. I don't try to make trades with teams who obviously don't need the players I'm trying to deal. I also stay away from uber prospects, especially since I'm playing historical and kind of like to see them stick wither their original teams. But otherwise, I think trading with the CPU if fairly difficult even on medium settings. The one thing I've seen alluded to is the 4-5 player deals. That I think can be debated. I've made two deals this offseason trading for Dusty Baker and Jack Clark (1976) where I dealt 4 and 5 players, respectively, for them. BUT, I gave up my top pitching prospect and closer for Clark and my #1 SP and #2 reliever for Baker. I'm sure some could pick those trades apart and make an argument that they shouldn't have happened. However, I feel they were reasonable enough based on player ratings (imagining I don't know the players). Anyway, if you are an average player and haven't dug into the engine to find the key metrics the CPU doesn't use well, I suggest you leave trading on Average and Neutral and save yourself some hair pulling out sessions |
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04-22-2015, 10:34 AM | #3 |
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Did I miss a poll? I didn't know there was a groundswell of VH&HFP (sounds more like a railroad) in the forums.
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04-22-2015, 11:24 AM | #5 |
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@majesty95 -- I haven't been playing OOTP for nearly as long as you, but I have to say in my own (limited) experience, trading on Very Hard / Heavily Favor Prospects works pretty well for me.
I tend to initiate trades by "shopping a player" and seeing first who bites. If a team offers up a 1:1 exchange, I usually then go to the 'trading' screen and see if I can work a more involved deal, in cases where that might be desirable. I tend to stick to the 1:1 deals though. My own experience with VH/HFP is -- shopping a player usually (not always, but usually) brings a credible trade offer from the AI. In other words, the AI doesn't just offer up garbage. And I've definitely pulled off some trades on Very Hard that I thought "no way a real-life GM makes this deal -- I'm clearly the beneficiary here." I dunno. My own feeling is: trading *should* be a bit of a hair-pulling-out experience, if it's going to mirror reality. Trades really should be hard to make. I guess I just haven't felt that I've had the kind of "look, I'm giving away the farm, and all you're offering me is garbage" experiences with trading on VH. |
04-22-2015, 11:34 AM | #6 |
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The way I always look at it is that on average you can find a good trade (for you - whether that's getting good value dumping players or adding talent) with about 20 teams (assuming 30 team league), that goes down to about 5 on hard and 1 on very hard.
You can still make the good trades, and if you keep on searching for them over and over you can assemble just as good a roster as on average, but it takes a huge amount more work. |
04-22-2015, 11:34 AM | #7 |
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I don't like Very Hard either, but I switched over to Hard a few months ago, and now I refuse to go down to Average. I kind of opened my eyes and looked at how many of my players had been acquired through trades: my up-and-coming 2B, my power-hitting 1B, three of my starters, including my ace (who only got a talent bump AFTER being in my system, but still), my catcher, and two of my outfielders.
Made me realize I MIGHT be fleecing the AI a bit. Hard has felt so much more realistic to me. |
04-22-2015, 12:13 PM | #8 |
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04-22-2015, 02:37 PM | #9 |
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I understand you can "play it your way". I'm referring to the many posts I've seen declaring VH and HFP is the only option if you want realism.
I'm going a replay set in 1969. I started off as GM and fought off free agency. Then took over the Rangers. Part of my problem is that I have no talent coming in every season. But the other part is that trying to trade for one good player took everything I did have. It was impossible for me to improve. In fact, I'm still a last place team after three season even after turning trading down to average-neutral. I just can't see any way guys can function on the highest setting unless it comes with drafting your own players and free agency in which case I think most people could stock their teams and trading may be the way to offset that... |
04-22-2015, 03:25 PM | #10 |
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I use average/HFP. I feel VH is too difficult but average fits my needs as HFP makes it quite difficult.
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04-22-2015, 03:31 PM | #11 |
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On average and neutral, I tried to trade for C Bob Tillman (39 years old, AAA). I clicked "complete now" and the Braves wanted Nolan Ryan, Dusty Baker or Mike Hargrove O_O
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04-22-2015, 04:23 PM | #12 |
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I've found one sure way to avoid the AI trading problem no matter what setting is used...
It's called an online multi-player league. I find the trading difficulty in that environment to be just about right
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04-22-2015, 04:28 PM | #13 |
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I play with house rules, solely.
I keep trading frequency very low to inhibit the AI from making trades allllllll the time. I play with the trade setting of very hard (but only bc I don't know if that affects AI vs AI trades...anyone?) just in case the AI is affected by trading with itself. For my own team's trades, I scout out a trade which I feel is both realistic and fair for both my team and my trading partner and then force the trade. This way I don't have to get caught up in the whole trade setting and this and that. But, keep in mind, it takes discipline to keep the integrity of your house rules in tact. I find this to be the most efficient way to play without feeling the game is making things superficially easy/hard. Last edited by MKG1734; 04-22-2015 at 04:32 PM. |
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Forcing all your trades makes the trade difficulty setting pretty irrelevant doesn't it? It's also not clear to me what discipline is involved in that case. |
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04-22-2015, 07:22 PM | #15 | |
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If I am able to win and stock/restock my team every year then OOTP would not interest me. I don't recall anyone one saying that those settings are the only way to go. When those settings are suggested, its suggested to users who say trading is too easy. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 04-22-2015 at 07:24 PM. |
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04-22-2015, 07:24 PM | #16 | |
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The difficulty setting is only in case it matters when the AI trades with AI (I'm not sure that it does?) Discipline as in?....not ripping off the AI? That's how I mean discipline in this case. I will only allow trades that I feel are realistic and would be a true benefit to the AI team. For example, if I am a winning team and the AI is a losing team, I will generally trade to take on a veteran on an expiring contract (or near expiring), while trading younger players to the AI (I commonly trade my very, very best prospects in situations such as these). And sometimes, if I am a losing team, I will do use the above situation vice versa. The discipline is understanding that, when I'm playing the game, its not solely about winning at all costs (and, therefore, ripping off a non-human AI opponent), but about keeping the league as realistic and balanced as possible and attempting to construct a winning team through those processes. |
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04-22-2015, 07:58 PM | #17 |
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Starting with a historical team (and a bad one) with only about 35 players on your roster and 5-8 poor rookies imported every year, you never really get a chance to "stock up". On an unrelated note, nobody found it odd that a team wanted Nolan Ryan, Dusty Baker or Mike Hargrove for a 1-star, 39 year-old catcher in AAA? |
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04-23-2015, 01:30 AM | #19 |
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"I don't know what secret sauce those of you that play with trading on Very Hard and Highly Favor Prospects have found but y'all are out of your minds if you think that the average player should play with those settings! Lol. I've been playing this game for 10 years, albeit I usually only play 4-5 seasons per release generally. But without trading on Average and Neutral I can't improve my team to save my life!"
Not sure why you're having a problem. With those settings I was able to acquire Grienke and Shields each for an aging reliever. I shopped the relievers around. Those guys appeared on the results. |
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