Just who are these bad apples?

mking55 · 05-27-2015, 10:17 AM

It seems there is a lot of discord in the locker room. I even have guys in the minors complaining about the bickering in the clubhouse. I'm told my team is riddled with bad apples.

Okay, how do I find out who the bad apples are? I've asked the guys but no one is naming names. I'll be happy to get rid of them if someone would tell me who they are, or where to find them.

Thank you.

Matt Arnold · 05-27-2015, 10:45 AM

Read the personalities of your players. It should be pretty clear who's a negative influence.

Padreman · 05-27-2015, 11:28 AM

Also under editor in the personality area will say he's a cancer

jaysdailydose · 05-27-2015, 12:43 PM

The BNN Player Page will also generally be a goldmine of info. Guys with leader ability of Very Low, with Very Low work ethic is going to lead to a poisonous scenario.

Definitely lots of ways to divine who is a negative influence, and who your best clubhouse guys are.

Assos · 05-27-2015, 01:06 PM

Also, check your bench coach, sometimes there is a conflict when you have a guy that is a little hard on their players. Sometimes, the bad apple is the one picking the apples!

mking55 · 05-27-2015, 06:24 PM

Thank you. I looked at Personality and found 2 pieces of scum who happen to be 2 of the best pitchers in the league. Figures.

I don't suppose flashing neon lights would help highlight the personality defects on the team.

Thanks again.

RchW · 05-27-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Also under editor in the personality area will say he's a cancer

This is not a personal criticism but I can't imagine why anyone would want to look in the editor for anything. The fog of not being sure of things is one of the most exciting things about this game.

Padreman · 05-27-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This is not a personal criticism but I can't imagine why anyone would want to look in the editor for anything. The fog of not being sure of things is one of the most exciting things about this game.

I'm A frequent visitor there

RchW · 05-27-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

I'm A frequent visitor there

That is the beauty of OOTP. Play it your way.

mking55 · 05-27-2015, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This is not a personal criticism but I can't imagine why anyone would want to look in the editor for anything. The fog of not being sure of things is one of the most exciting things about this game.

I just looked at personality on the profile page. It told me what I needed to know and Kaat and Briles are gone. I hope I don't get any more of those personal messages about how bad the clubhouse is. I will check personality before trading for or signing a player. And if I want cancer in the clubhouse, I'll startl smoking and make sure everyone on my team smokes.

ra7c7er · 05-27-2015, 10:30 PM

If you keep the overall leadership high you'll be good. The overall better leadership, loyalty, and work ethic you have. The more "cancer" players you're team will be able to deal with.

saturn2187 · 05-29-2015, 08:01 AM

Is having a clubhouse full of tumors bad for the team? Will they start to tank? (ie Red Sox chicken & beer)

Ile · 05-29-2015, 12:26 PM

I have this problem every single season, and no matter what I do it's the same. Everyone are unhappy with the team chemistry. I've gone through every player on the roster and nobody has a negative personality from what I can read. I traded away everyone that were selfish, greedy or lazy. I figured I could get away with ordinary guys that enjoys fishing in the off-season or are pretty smart, or are decent guys.

I've tried changing bench coaches, and my current one is a disciplinarian that works very well with young guys, which my roster is.

We've played better than 500 ball the last few years and reached the play offs every now and then.

I can't afford veterans. They all want ridiculous contracts, and we're an expansion team that are still playing moneyball. Is it impossible to get good, or decent, team chemistry without veterans?

SwedishChef · 05-29-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ile

I have this problem every single season, and no matter what I do it's the same. Everyone are unhappy with the team chemistry. I've gone through every player on the roster and nobody has a negative personality from what I can read. I traded away everyone that were selfish, greedy or lazy. I figured I could get away with ordinary guys that enjoys fishing in the off-season or are pretty smart, or are decent guys.

I've tried changing bench coaches, and my current one is a disciplinarian that works very well with young guys, which my roster is.

We've played better than 500 ball the last few years and reached the play offs every now and then.

I can't afford veterans. They all want ridiculous contracts, and we're an expansion team that are still playing moneyball. Is it impossible to get good, or decent, team chemistry without veterans?

there are always a few cheap vets that have high leadership skills. better to have these guys on the end of the bench than a player that should be developing in AAA anyway.

Ile · 05-29-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedishChef

there are always a few cheap vets that have high leadership skills. better to have these guys on the end of the bench than a player that should be developing in AAA anyway.

Are you saying that there is no other way, or that it's the easiest way?

I just think it's really weird that 24 players that are popular and getting along with everyone, in a winning team, still think the team chemistry is crap. It doesn't seem right.

SwedishChef · 05-29-2015, 02:08 PM

you've obviously never played organized sports with a madman like carl everett.

drksd4848 · 05-29-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mking55

Thank you. I looked at Personality and found 2 pieces of scum who happen to be 2 of the best pitchers in the league. Figures.

I don't suppose flashing neon lights would help highlight the personality defects on the team.

Thanks again.

OK, so Josh Beckett and who else?

endgame · 05-29-2015, 03:41 PM

Only in my official second year of new personality types, etc... but I will say without apology, I have never reacted or over-reacted to these issues. Having a relatively easy going manager, I have simply elected to ride it out. Last year, we did so to a Covenant Accord Championship. Who's unhappy now?

Déjà Bru · 05-30-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ra7c7er

If you keep the overall leadership high you'll be good. The overall better leadership, loyalty, and work ethic you have. The more "cancer" players you're team will be able to deal with.

This.

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Originally Posted by saturn2187

Is having a clubhouse full of tumors bad for the team? Will they start to tank? (ie Red Sox chicken & beer)

Yes. The only thing that I am not sure about is how the manager's personality fits in with all of this (easygoing, strict, etc.) but I do know that having a few HIGH and VERY HIGH leadership guys on the roster works wonders, so well that you may be able to afford those "2 pieces of scum who happen to be 2 of the best pitchers in the league."

risp2out · 07-03-2015, 10:55 AM

Question: I looked at the editor settings for Personality for the first time after coming across this thread. (Thanks, by the way, for all the input here.) When a guy has a high Controversy rating, does that mean he CAUSES controversy, or does that mean he HANDLES controversy well? Thanks.

05-27-2015, 10:17 AM	#1
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Just who are these bad apples? It seems there is a lot of discord in the locker room. I even have guys in the minors complaining about the bickering in the clubhouse. I'm told my team is riddled with bad apples. Okay, how do I find out who the bad apples are? I've asked the guys but no one is naming names. I'll be happy to get rid of them if someone would tell me who they are, or where to find them. Thank you. __________________ Why do you live in Boading? Somebody has to. http://adventuresinjurong.wordpress.com/

05-27-2015, 11:28 AM	#3
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,140 Blog Entries: 1	Also under editor in the personality area will say he's a cancer __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

05-27-2015, 12:43 PM	#4
jaysdailydose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,325	The BNN Player Page will also generally be a goldmine of info. Guys with leader ability of Very Low, with Very Low work ethic is going to lead to a poisonous scenario. Definitely lots of ways to divine who is a negative influence, and who your best clubhouse guys are. __________________ Manager - Motor City Marshals Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose

05-27-2015, 06:24 PM	#6
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Thank you. I looked at Personality and found 2 pieces of scum who happen to be 2 of the best pitchers in the league. Figures. I don't suppose flashing neon lights would help highlight the personality defects on the team. Thanks again. __________________ Why do you live in Boading? Somebody has to. http://adventuresinjurong.wordpress.com/

05-29-2015, 03:41 PM	#18
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Only in my official second year of new personality types, etc... but I will say without apology, I have never reacted or over-reacted to these issues. Having a relatively easy going manager, I have simply elected to ride it out. Last year, we did so to a Covenant Accord Championship. Who's unhappy now? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

05-27-2015, 10:45 AM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,133	Read the personalities of your players. It should be pretty clear who's a negative influence.

05-27-2015, 01:06 PM	#5
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	Also, check your bench coach, sometimes there is a conflict when you have a guy that is a little hard on their players. Sometimes, the bad apple is the one picking the apples!

05-27-2015, 10:30 PM	#11
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	If you keep the overall leadership high you'll be good. The overall better leadership, loyalty, and work ethic you have. The more "cancer" players you're team will be able to deal with.

05-29-2015, 08:01 AM	#12
saturn2187 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 515	Is having a clubhouse full of tumors bad for the team? Will they start to tank? (ie Red Sox chicken & beer)

05-29-2015, 12:26 PM	#13
Ile Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 136	I have this problem every single season, and no matter what I do it's the same. Everyone are unhappy with the team chemistry. I've gone through every player on the roster and nobody has a negative personality from what I can read. I traded away everyone that were selfish, greedy or lazy. I figured I could get away with ordinary guys that enjoys fishing in the off-season or are pretty smart, or are decent guys. I've tried changing bench coaches, and my current one is a disciplinarian that works very well with young guys, which my roster is. We've played better than 500 ball the last few years and reached the play offs every now and then. I can't afford veterans. They all want ridiculous contracts, and we're an expansion team that are still playing moneyball. Is it impossible to get good, or decent, team chemistry without veterans?

05-29-2015, 02:08 PM	#16
SwedishChef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 109	you've obviously never played organized sports with a madman like carl everett.

07-03-2015, 10:55 AM	#20
risp2out All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 648	Question: I looked at the editor settings for Personality for the first time after coming across this thread. (Thanks, by the way, for all the input here.) When a guy has a high Controversy rating, does that mean he CAUSES controversy, or does that mean he HANDLES controversy well? Thanks.